Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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#176      
skyIdub
Wooooooie! Booth more talented than Storr….take Storr over Sarr!!??

Y’all coming in hot today!!
Where I put that flame retardant suit?

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Fighting I 95
ChiefGritty said:
Not at all, Booth was a higher rated recruit for a reason. His size/athleticism/skill profile is rare.

He's doing nothing to tap into that talent, but the talent is there.

Storr is a skinny, inefficient jump shooter who can't pass or guard. Guys like him are a dime a dozen.
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That skinny bad player averaged 16 in the Big Ten and the other averaged basically 0 at the same time in their careers. Hate the player all you want but at some point showing the talent is more improtant than just having it.
 
#180      
Fighting I 95
altgeld88 said:
That's not what CG said. Booth is an absolute physical freak. I saw him warm up and play twice this year... even saw him splash a trey in garbage time at Michigan. (On the latter count, of course, I had only slightly worse odds of encountering a unicorn smoking outside a convenience store.)

He reminds me of a gazelle. I'd also seen him play in person twice the year before for ND when he was actually getting decent tick. His hops are crazy and his athleticism is indeed rare. As CG notes, however, (and as Marshall Field also once noted) it's insufficient to have talent. It's the improvement of that talent that matters, and it ain't happening with Carey yet on the court. I hope it does at CSU.
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I guess my point is, if you never put that talent together then it doesnt matter how much talent you have. Storr has proven enough talent at the Big Ten level to taje a flyer on him.

I understand Booth has insane Athleticism and i was hyped about us getting him at the time.
 
#181      
LouHenson
Or meet the unemployment line (suspension), there is a process where this is for sure worthy the risky?
 
#182      
strobes77
Indy Illini Fan said:
If the price is what I’ve been told … Immediate take … Sign him today …

And it’s real simple … If he doesn’t wanna buy in, or just simply isn’t playing good … He can sit on the bench or quit the team …

But the upside is crazy …
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Is he interested here? Is the staff?
 
#184      
altgeld88
Fighting I 95 said:
I guess my point is, if you never put that talent together then it doesnt matter how much talent you have. Storr has proven enough talent at the Big Ten level to taje a flyer on him.

I understand Booth has insane Athleticism and i was hyped about us getting him at the time.
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I get you; however, given our history with Storr and his treatment of us (Come here, come here, come here / Get away, get away, get away) I want nothing to do with him at this point. Kinda Matt Mayer bad chemistry vibes.
 
#186      
Altuve27
I want Tomi locked up as locked up can be in this day and age more than anything else. Give him a summer to improve his strength and post up game and you have, potentially, one of the best players in the country.

I am not trying to be hyperbolic. I just believe his upside is so damn high. We saw some of it last year. There’s more in there.
 
#187      
RimPressure
ChiefGritty said:
Better =/= More talented

I'm banging this drum because of the implicit assumption that there's some superstar talent lurking in Storr. There really, really isn't. The more you play that guy, the more you are putting a ceiling on your team.
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yes as a side note, some of this discussion might be getting muddied by people having different definitions of "talent". I think the way @ChiefGritty originally referred to Storr was "he just isn't that good at basketball!" But then later the term talent got into the mix.

Anyway, I agree that betting on Storr to become a superstar is not a great bet. My whole original point was that if Storr can be had for a non-superstar price, we could hopefully land a superstar 4 instead. (Again, if we miss on both Dix and Sarr)

I do think some of the points about Storr having the potential to be a locker room issue or a black hole with the ball are valid, though, and I really hope that - if Storr does end up becoming a pivot option - Brad gets a good enough read on the whole situation to be confident that that doesn't become a problem.
 
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orangem
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#189      
altgeld88
skyIdub said:
Wooooooie! Booth more talented than Storr….take Storr over Sarr!!??

Y’all coming in hot today!!
Where I put that flame retardant suit?

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As for me I want the Venn diagram incorporating "Two r's in surname" and "Not from Rockford or Kankakee."
 
#190      
Indy Illini Fan
ChiefGritty said:
I have great faith in BU and I want to believe that you're right and this is just agent chatter on the day Storr hits the portal.

Carey Booth is much more talented than Storr, but just kinda doesn't have the eye of the tiger. As someone who grew up inside the NBA world you wonder if he's just not in love with the game the way you have to be in order to make it.
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#192      
UnionParty
ChiefGritty said:
Not at all, Booth was a higher rated recruit for a reason. His size/athleticism/skill profile is rare.

He's doing nothing to tap into that talent, but the talent is there.

Storr is a skinny, inefficient jump shooter who can't pass or guard. Guys like him are a dime a dozen.


Better =/= More talented

I'm banging this drum because of the implicit assumption that there's some superstar talent lurking in Storr. There really, really isn't. The more you play that guy, the more you are putting a ceiling on your team.
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Anyone remember the movie "Shallow Hal" with Jack Black and Gweneth Paltrow? I feel like Carey Booth is the chick in the movie who looks fat to me but is actually a supermodel. Am I the only person that feels like he's overmatched at this level? I don't see any of what you described above....
 
#194      
Dakota Orange
I imagine BU, if interested, would be having a conversation with Self, a guy he is close to. Would also be nice to have a full compliment of experienced AC’s to help BU navigate the potential STORRMY seas
 
#195      
blackdog
altgeld88 said:
That's not what CG said. Booth is an absolute physical freak. I saw him warm up and play twice this year... even saw him splash a trey in garbage time at Michigan. (On the latter count, of course, I had only slightly worse odds of encountering a unicorn smoking outside a convenience store.)

He reminds me of a gazelle. I'd also seen him play in person twice the year before for ND when he was actually getting decent tick. His hops are crazy and his athleticism is indeed rare. As CG notes, however, (and as Marshall Field also once noted) it's insufficient to have talent. It's the improvement of that talent that matters, and it ain't happening with Carey yet on the court. He was completely lost on our roster. I hope he finds his game at CSU.
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I think its an issue of wording. Carey is an outstanding ATHLETE but in terms of basketball talent it's pretty slim. His skill set is very limited and he's not even particular good at his "stengths".
 
#197      
USAFILLINI
I understand the hesitation about Storr and concerns that he might negatively impact the locker room. However, I think were underselling the influence our guys could have on him. If you surround him with players who are fully bought in and committed to winning, that mindset becomes contagious. Self had a challenging mix of guys this year, and it clearly affected their play on the court. I don't think you can attribute the issues to just one player. It was more about the overall mix, combined with Self seeming out of sorts, that led to the team's struggles.
 
#198      
ChiefGritty
Fighting I 95 said:
That skinny bad player averaged 16 in the Big Ten
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And nonetheless had only the fourth most win shares on his own team that went 11-9 in conference because he doesn't do anything else

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Fighting I 95 said:
I guess my point is, if you never put that talent together then it doesnt matter how much talent you have
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This is absolutely correct, and I'm being misinterpreted as saying Booth is BETTER than Storr, which he very clearly is not.

Tre White, on the other hand, is definitely better than Storr in addition to being much more talented.
 
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