Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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#101      
PtGd
BackThatPassUp said:
I had Riley as good as gone but if this is the case, we're going to need the collegiate version of NBA Patrick Beverly. A guy that's going to defend, knock down the 3 and be able to handle the ball while not expecting franchise player money.
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Given more than two or three minute stretches in each half to prove his worth, we might just have to hope that a Jake Davis can/will be the player to fill the roster in that position.

As long as he isn't also forced to defend the 6-9, 6-10 or 7 footer on the defensive end like he was forced into this last season.
 
#103      
blackdog
It's like if we don't hear something positive every day people start letting their own negative thoughts take over. Just because you think a thing doesn't make it real or true. Nothing is settled, everything is in motion, and the roster now is not going to be the one that goes out on the floor.

This message is yelling into the wind but felt like I had to say it.
 
#105      
ILFaninFL
Ian Jackson must have at least one other viable suitor to maximize his bag. A school would be stupid to bid against itself.

He also has been underperforming for one year. It's easy to blame the coach, but he was on the court.

All I'm saying is I see what he is doing, but you would have to be delusional to spend that much on him, even if you convinced yourself last year didn't count.
 
#106      
IMPE Legend
LvilleILL1 said:
They will get one.
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I think the concern is that if the big money player is Riley or Sarr then that means we potentially have one proven scorer or one guy who up until a couple weeks ago many thought was going to be a backup. Is Sarr a proven scorer? No. He might be a great scorer, but definitely not proven. So that leaves 1-1.5 for a proven scorer? I'm not sure if the current numbers out there for players makes that a realistic option. That is concerning. I think realistically Riley is not coming back. So are you saying you think our NIL pot amounts to around 4.5 to 5 million left? (3 million/1.5 million/500,000)? What is Sarr at in his asking price? And if those are the numbers I would suggest everyone on the board take a break, wait for Sarr to sign, and then see what's left. Because even talking about Jackson, Watkins, or whoever at this point is pointless.

i would also have to say if that is what we have left then our NIL isn't nearly as high as what we have believed it to be.
 
#110      
t-bone
There's a huge difference. It's an apples and oranges argument and if you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Your money saved for YOU versus money saved for someone else.
 
#111      
nichi
reckejo said:
Purdue is really about to run Smith, Loyer, Barnhizer, TKR, and Cluff and we’re gonna run Kylan, unknown transfer (less and less likely to be elite with every day that passes), Sarr/Riley, Mirkovic, and Tomi. Purdue is gonna kill us if that’s how we end up.
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Based on his freshman game log, I don't see how Barnhizer gets a medical redshirt. He played in 11 games, including 1 in November, 2 in December, 3 in January, 3 in February, and 2 in March.

www.sports-reference.com

Brooks Barnhizer 2021-22 Game Log | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

2021-22 Game Log for Brooks Barnhizer
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#114      
PepeSilvia
SescIllini said:
Where has Illinois been mentioned with Coward? He is awesome, and would thrive in our system IMHO. Gives us a 6-7 SG/Wing who is a willing defender, passer and rebounder inaddition to a solid offensive skill set. Was placed on my radar by PepeSilva last year, really like his game.

Coward reminds me of the Trevian Jones player we thought we would see at Illinois. A 6-7 Brandon Paul type player.
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Indy posted him yesterday. Don't know how involved Illinois will be but probably on the radar.
 
#115      
HensonHall71
zoiks said:
Despite all of the insider proclamations about IL’s top-tier budget for basketball, this off-season has made it obvious that their budget is 2nd tier for basketball. IL has a top 10 rank for its incoming football recruits, so it seems most of the budget has been allocated there.
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I was wondering about how much NIL we could have for basketball - again a lot of it depends on donors will to fund a specific recruit coming, so it's not always a known amount - if we had a chance to get Will back, I think donors would clearly fund that and they would find the money, etc. But my rough guesses on how much we've spent would be
IL Returnees - $2M for this group - Tomi was likely around $1M, I wouldn't think the other three would be more than $1M combined
Ty Rodgers
Kylan Boswell
Jake Davis
Tomislav Ivisic

IL Signees - $750K?
Zvonimir Ivisic

New IL Commits - $750K?
David Mirkovic

That would mean we've spent about $3.5M so far - I thought last year rumor was we spent about $5M and that would go up this year to around $7M NIL with more donations coming in. Plus revenue sharing which let's say is another $3-5M, it would seem we would have $10M+ to spend which others have alluded to.

Which does seem to say we have $3M+ to spend on a star SG - there is no other place to spend it right now, other than a backup G. If the bidding for Jackson got up to $4M I can see that being difficult to do, but I would think we could meet that kind of price for the right player and then figure it out if Sarr or Will come and raise the money for them separately, plus we'll have revenue sharing by then.
 
#116      
ugottabjoshinme
HensonHall71 said:
I was wondering about how much NIL we could have for basketball - again a lot of it depends on donors will to fund a specific recruit coming, so it's not always a known amount - if we had a chance to get Will back, I think donors would clearly fund that and they would find the money, etc. But my rough guesses on how much we've spent would be
IL Returnees - $2M for this group - Tomi was likely around $1M, I wouldn't think the other three would be more than $1M combined
Ty Rodgers
Kylan Boswell
Jake Davis
Tomislav Ivisic

IL Signees - $750K?
Zvonimir Ivisic

New IL Commits - $750K?
David Mirkovic

That would mean we've spent about $3.5M so far - I thought last year rumor was we spent about $5M and that would go up this year to around $7M NIL with more donations coming in. Plus revenue sharing which let's say is another $3-5M, it would seem we would have $10M+ to spend which others have alluded to.

Which does seem to say we have $3M+ to spend on a star SG - there is no other place to spend it right now, other than a backup G. If the bidding for Jackson got up to $4M I can see that being difficult to do, but I would think we could meet that kind of price for the right player and then figure it out if Sarr or Will come and raise the money for them separately, plus we'll have revenue sharing by then.
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I can't imagine Boswell is cheap after the end of year and tournament he just had. If Josh Dix is making 2M, I have a hard time believing Bos is getting under 1M.
 
#117      
Scoregasm
HensonHall71 said:
I was wondering about how much NIL we could have for basketball - again a lot of it depends on donors will to fund a specific recruit coming, so it's not always a known amount - if we had a chance to get Will back, I think donors would clearly fund that and they would find the money, etc. But my rough guesses on how much we've spent would be
IL Returnees - $2M for this group - Tomi was likely around $1M, I wouldn't think the other three would be more than $1M combined
Ty Rodgers
Kylan Boswell
Jake Davis
Tomislav Ivisic

IL Signees - $750K?
Zvonimir Ivisic

New IL Commits - $750K?
David Mirkovic

That would mean we've spent about $3.5M so far - I thought last year rumor was we spent about $5M and that would go up this year to around $7M NIL with more donations coming in. Plus revenue sharing which let's say is another $3-5M, it would seem we would have $10M+ to spend which others have alluded to.

Which does seem to say we have $3M+ to spend on a star SG - there is no other place to spend it right now, other than a backup G. If the bidding for Jackson got up to $4M I can see that being difficult to do, but I would think we could meet that kind of price for the right player and then figure it out if Sarr or Will come and raise the money for them separately, plus we'll have revenue sharing by then.
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We need an Alpha scorer at the 2-3 spot. I see Saar as a good second scoring option. With that money left over, we should be able to land both an Alpha scorer and Saar, plus fill out the bench.
 
#118      
HailtotheChief
ugottabjoshinme said:
I can't imagine Boswell is cheap after the end of year and tournament he just had. If Josh Dix is making 2M, I have a hard time believing Bos is getting under 1M.
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Dix is very good on offense but with how well Boz played the last month, I'd prefer to have him to lead and play well on both ends like he did the last month. I remember VanGundy announcing saying few were playing better than Kylan and that's the truth. He is so much stronger than most guards and seems to found his grove under BU after a little bit of time. Much like Domask did a couple years ago. One reason I wanted Domask back and am excited to have back Boz.
 
#119      
PepeSilvia
Unsure if any of the insiders can answer this but how legitimate are the reports of guys getting 3-4 million dollars? Or are agents trying to inflate numbers to draw clients?

Rob Wright is a good player and had a good year but 3.5 million seems insane for him with some of the other talent in the portal. Even JT Toppin at 4 is a lot when Coleman was the big transfer at 2 million last year.
 
#120      
tatupu70
IMPE Legend said:
I think the concern is that if the big money player is Riley or Sarr then that means we potentially have one proven scorer or one guy who up until a couple weeks ago many thought was going to be a backup.
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My concern is that by the time Sarr decides to declare (along with Riley), there is nobody left to spend the earmarked money on. Yes, the team was able to pivot the last couple years after their plan A targets went elsewhere, there's no guarantee that will always be the case. It's a risky strategy.
 
#121      
Altuve27
I agree that KJ will leave. Will certainly may but I think Riley returning is much more possible than people think.
 
#122      
NJB Illini
Refuse to doom and gloom this early in the offseason, but I will say this. I really, really like our core guys. Boswell, Ivisic x2, Rodgers, Mirkovic, and Davis make a great base, and unlike last year, has some continuity. Seeing these 'Way-Too-Early' rankings having teams like MSU, Iowa, Oregon, Wisconsin, and Ohio State ahead of that core is pretty annoying to me, when most of them have very little right now in way of stars and worse role guys than that.

That said, what is beyond obvious to everyone is we are missing a star. If we even settle on just Sarr and some cheaper SG/CG options we will probably not be top-25 to begin the season (I know, I know, it doesn't matter, but Illinois should always be on there), or, have a Final Four contender. The staff HAS to land a Jackson, Watkins, type guy. It is early, so I would like to think we do. I know more names will probably come.

I am in the camp that I think a Riley return is very unlikely. I thought that from the jump, but seeing that most Mocks have now raised him up into that 14-18 range I feel like he probably goes. We will see 🤞
 
#125      
Turn N’ Burn
If he does not enter, will you tell us who it is? I am so lost if you don’t say the actual name so that would be my request please and thank you hahaha
 
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