Good example of what Illinois coaches are dealing with. Overpay for a marginal player like Moore and what message does that send to a guy like Ty Rodgers who announced his return?
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Good example of what Illinois coaches are dealing with. Overpay for a marginal player like Moore and what message does that send to a guy like Ty Rodgers who announced his return?
I don’t understand this mentality. If people are willing to fund these NIL amounts, why do you as a fan care?
Joel Goodson
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9 B10 teams in the top 25. And with some names that have been talked about here over the past several weeks.
Other teams seem to be closing on top players while we keep getting told "no thanks." Our biggest pick up thus far is a player we only got because he has a twin brother here. Anyone have a good explanation for why this is happening?
The clock is ticking and we need some big hits. We need some guys who can compete to be on the All-Big Ten teams so we don't end up with one 3rd team player like we had this year.
I mean from the sounds of things our donors are just trying to build a superteam on the cheap. We can't offer $1.5M to a guy and tell him he's the 3rd option when other schools are offering same amount or more and telling him he's the star.
Which results in this approach:
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~900 billionaires in the US. $10 million is only 1% of a billion. Even if one's billions are just parked in T-Bills getting 3%, $10 million per year in NIL isn't even eating into their net worth. What is more likely driving this market is ADs or Coaches that can round up 10 alumni or so whose wealth sums to a level where they are spending sub 1% of their net worth on their college basketball hobby every year.
I've worked directly for a billionaire on a non-economically constrained project. In some respects it would have been easier to set expectations if there were real financial constraints.
So what I think cooks the current NIL game in the longer term is that there is only one national championship available per year. People spending that much expect big game wins, even if it isn't a huge sacrifice on their part to keep up the spending. Top 14 on some efficiency metric their latest trophy wife has never heard of, won't cut it if the big wins don't start come after a few years of big spending.
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Exactly. I don’t blame BU for having to make the most out of a finite budget. But claiming we lose out on players because other programs overpay is just a lame excuse. The fair price is what someone is willing to pay. And boosters complaining about lack of results have no one to blame but themselves. If you want to win, you have to pony up. If you don’t want to pony up, you might as well get out of the game.
The “problem” isn’t an unregulated market. The market is working how markets are supposed to work. The “problem” is the consumers (i.e., boosters) who want to have their cake and eat it too.
Maybe, but how do we even know what WE have spent? you can bet your biggest Beach House Tomi and Boswell didn't agree to stay for anything resembling what they got last year. Obviously, the market for them would have been robust...
Z and Mirkovic aren't moving to the middle of Illinois for the scenic cornfields.
You don't get credit in the "Portal rankings" for keeping your guys in the fold, or for pulling in Euros. (Z excluded, since he has been in the States) Both of which are pretty good ways to allocate NIL.
Who knows if we are overpaying our own guys, but we can't scream about retention and go cheap on the guys who prefer to stay.
If you aren't losing battles, you are chasing the wrong guys. The only high-profile guys we were chasing hard and missed on are Dix, and potentially Ian Jackson. Dix went home, and it sounds like Jackson is likely to do the same.
The portal is still wide open, and new guys are still hopping in. There is still 6 weeks until the deadline to withdraw from the NBA draft... Personally, I'll reserve judgement until the roster is locked up.
Salary caps _tend_ to bring stability. I'd rather watch an IL team with players that have been here years than a team of free-agents who happen to be playing for IL this year. To a lesser extent, I like to see the same on opposing big ten teams.
The same reason lots of MLB fans are sick of what the Dodgers are doing. The NBA and NFL have implemented fair salary cap rules that at least gives a chance to every team to be successful in the current format. Now obviously it's trickier with D1 college basketball, because I'm not sure any rules could ever let Presybterian compete with Texas in terms of financials, but there's no reason there shouldn't be some kind of salary cap on what is going on here at the top level programs. If your salary cap is $15,000,000, that sure makes it more of a debatable proposition to offer someone like Cooper Flagg all of your allotment.
ptgrd23
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salary caps only work if all teams follow them. Michigan (fab5) has no problems breaking rules. Neither do KY, Kansas, Louisville, UNC, LSU, AZ etc.
I prefer all the spending out in the open instead of cheating. College basketball is no longer amateur so might as well give players contracts for play like NBA. NCAA and universities are clinging to joke concept of amateurism in football and basketball.
I prefer all the spending out in the open instead of cheating. College basketball is no longer amateur so might as well give players contracts for play like NBA. NCAA and universities are clinging to joke concept of amateurism in football and basketball.
Waiting for the day when athletes don’t have to attend classes.
I agree that roster stability would make for a better fan experience. But I’m not sure a cap on NIL budgets actually fixes that. It seems like the only “problem” it would fix is boosters having to pay more and more each year without any guaranty of success. And I don’t view that as a problem. I view that as the cost of doing business, and if you don’t like it you should get out of this business.
It's not about anyone paying less, it's more so about there actually being some thoughtfulness in designing a roster and then you likely won't see teams throwing big money at one dimensional players to entice them to transfer.
There were already dynamics that made it impossible for Presbyterian to compete with Texas. This just rebalances who has the advantage. There’s nothing inherently unfair about it.
It’s the same with the Dodgers. People aren’t upset that it’s unfair. They’re upset that their team doesn’t have an owner willing to do the same thing.
The idea the Pirates can do what the Dodgers do is so silly I'm not even sure it's worth a response. But quite a few billionaires would go bankrupt in a few years trying what the Dodgers are doing without the Dodgers TV deal.
I'm not worried about what Michigan is assembling assuming Lendeborg goes pro. If he returns, I think they will be a talented team, but not really well put together in terms of spacing, imo. I am more worried about beyond Boz/Tomi, our ability to go all-in on heavy hitters. Boz/Tomi are great pieces and I think Big Z will be good here and much better here than playing for Cal, the new freshman forward is going to help, and Ty will help. However, even though Boz/Tomi are good pieces, we need that alpha to help. Are we waiting on Riley/Dame? While they are very talented, I'm concerned with if either commits. If Dame, while talented and very athletic, he is a freshman. Riley would be the one, but I really just can't see him leaving the NBA. If both don't come here, then did we wait to late and waste the last year of Boz and most likely the last year of Tomi? Also, love Brad, but outside of 2 years ago, we have not gone very far in NCAA's.
A salary cap is first and foremost about paying less.
Govoner Vaugn Fan
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Or just hand them a degree in 'Sports participation'
I think I've heard it mentioned somewhere and am not privy enough to NCAA regulation to know if it's a true possibility, but is there a world where the stabilization for NIL/Transfer Portal involves investment by private equity whose interest is in a return financially rather than winning success?
Lets say I'm a mid-major university called MMU. I'm only taking in $1M a year in donations for my NIL pool and I'm coming off multiple years of really bad seasons. I'm at risk of expulsion from the league at this point, or even worse, getting demoted out of the division.
Can Private Equity Group A come in and pledge $5M per year to the NIL fund for x amount of years in exchange for a share in revenue? MMU will then bring in top talent, draw in more fans, more merch sales, etc. and return the investment over time. Or probably a worse case, could MMU issue shareholdings to Private Equity Group A and Private Equity Group B to provide liquidity in order to cover the talent cost?
Again, not sure how realistic this scenario is but curious if it's possible, especially for smaller schools, as a way to counteract the theoretical fickle nature of donors.
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