Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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CoachHooleyHoo
Indy Illini Fan said:
47% from 3 at Purdue ?

I’d like more than a minute … Let’s get him out there for 15 MPG …
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Nice cherry-picking stats :ROFLMAO: . At least be a little bit intellectually honest that your BH hate is keeping you from having a real conversation.

Gillis' career 3 point percentages:
20-21 = 35.2%
21-22 = 41.4%
22-23 = 35.6%
23-24 = 46.8%
24-25 = 34%

Gillis was inconsistent, an average-at-best defender, and looked lost half the time he was playing especially this year at Duke. And yet, he was a huge part of Purdue's run last year and Duke's run this year. Look, I'm not a fan of BH, but he's not nearly what you're making him out to be. I do, however, agree with your point in another post about him shooting us out of games and not knowing when to stop. That is 100% the truth.
 
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#152      
soupy17
soupy17 said:
His overall numbers:

In wins: 40.4% on 5.2 attempts per game.

In losses: 23.9% on 5.2 attempts per game.
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I also had the thought "well in games we lost we probably shot worse as a team as a whole"

As a team

In wins: 35.9% on 30.2 attempts per game

In Losses: 23.3% on 29.9 attempts per game

In close losses: 23.5% on 30.5 attempts per game.

Groundbreaking discovery - when we shot worse we lost!

However to go back to my first post on the subject, Ben shot ~4% worse in close losses compared to the rest of them, and that "rest of them" samples includes him going 0-fer at home against Michigan St. and the Duke game.

I think it comes down to him being the scapegoat in some of those games like @ Northwestern and @ Nebraska, both overtime losses where he shot a combined 1-16 from 3, and just in general being noticeably bad in some of those other close games. If we could have converted those to L's to wins it would have put us tied for 2nd in the B1G on record.
 
#153      
ChiefGritty
ChiefGritty said:
People keep reacting to commitments of guys that aren't as good as Boswell or Tomi as if we've totally lost the competitive race. A really severe case of Shiny Object-itis around here.
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Let me make this concrete.

Is the board's consensus that Yaxel Lendenborg, Aday Mara, Morez Johnson and Elliot Cadeau is a better foursome for next season than Kylan Boswell, David Mirkovic and the Ivisic twins? An easy comparison since it's roughly the same positions.

Yaxel is likely (but not certainly!) the best individual player there, but I think I'd shade the foursome our way. It's close, if you don't think it's at least close you've been diagnosed with Portal Brain.
 
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RimPressure
ChiefGritty said:
Let me make this concrete.

Is the board's consensus that Yaxel Lendenborg, Aday Mara, Morez Johnson and Elliot Cadeau is a better foursome for next season than Kylan Boswell, David Mirkovic and the Ivisic twins? An easy comparison since it's roughly the same positions.

Yaxel is likely (but not certainly!) the best individual player there, but I think I'd shade the foursome our way. It's close, if you don't think it's at least close you've been diagnosed with Portal Brain.
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To this point, I'm trying to remember when we had an All-American in their first year at U of I. Obviously, everyone is better as a team when they have an All-American on the roster, but I'm struggling to remember when we've had one in their first year with us. Maybe someone can refresh my memory.
 
#162      
dainjazoner
how is there so much confidence that sarr is better then ian jackson with a yr under his belt already. is there no way we have enough for both?
 
#165      
DReq
Indy Illini Fan said:
Continuity of missed 3s and atrocious defense …

I do agree the bench would be deeper because he should be on it the entire game …
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It is so hard to read between the lines so we can guess how you feel about things. /s if some don't get it.
 
#166      
ChicagoSouthSideIrish
The problem is not NIL or the University of Illinois the problem is these transfer portal players don’t want to play for Brad and Tyler Underwood. I know that’s hard for people on this board to accept. It’s not hating its stone cold reality. People shouldn’t be blocked from the board for expressing their opinion either. I have connections to coaches and players in college basketball and the word is out on Brad. Choosing to visit Georgia over Illinois should tell you something
 
#167      
mhuml32
soupy17 said:
I also had the thought "well in games we lost we probably shot worse as a team as a whole"

As a team

In wins: 35.9% on 30.2 attempts per game

In Losses: 23.3% on 29.9 attempts per game

In close losses: 23.5% on 30.5 attempts per game.

Groundbreaking discovery - when we shot worse we lost!

However to go back to my first post on the subject, Ben shot ~4% worse in close losses compared to the rest of them, and that "rest of them" samples includes him going 0-fer at home against Michigan St. and the Duke game.

I think it comes down to him being the scapegoat in some of those games like @ Northwestern and @ Nebraska, both overtime losses where he shot a combined 1-16 from 3, and just in general being noticeably bad in some of those other close games. If we could have converted those to L's to wins it would have put us tied for 2nd in the B1G on record.
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He also shot 37% from 3 on close wins. Unless you're Marcus Domask, who has the wildest 3-point reverse split for wins/losses that you'll ever see, we are just going down a statistical correlation lesson here.
 
#168      
RabidDawgClassic
BashCtIllini said:
I highly doubt that, I remember Jack Ingram being pretty universally loved. Also Jack Ingram got 9 mpg and 15 mpg in his 2 Illini seasons. Humrichous got 26 mpg, and I'm pretty sure over the first half of the season it was around 31 mpg. It was his inadequacies on the court that forced those minutes to come down.

THAT is the problem many have with Humrichous. If you look at per minutes played stats, he was clearly our worst player. If he's on the court, by definition someone else is not. Early in the season when he was taking the minutes of a likely 1st round draft pick, that was insane. When he was taking the minutes of Morez who was an elite rebounder, that was crazy, and contributed to us losing Morez.

If Humrichous was getting 15 mpg off the bench, you wouldn't hear a heck of a lot about him. In fact, you could hear the opposite. I'm not a big DGL fan, but he certainly has his fans here. Similar to the backup QB syndrome, if you played him things would be better, with no real proof that would actually be the case.

That is why many are now saying if he's a role player fine, but if he get's 20+ mpg, if he comes back because we are struggling to land a replacement, that's not going to be good Bob.
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Jack Ingram was universally loved after the Wisconsin game in Madison in 2005. That was his breakthrough moment.

The year before, as a transfer from Tulsa, he shot 42% from the field and 15% from three in nine minutes per game. There was no universal love for him then. Had the portal been around back then, the Loyalty Board Mean Girls would be saying “hit the road, Jerk Ingrate!”




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#169      
illinoispeak
ChiefGritty said:
Let me make this concrete.

Is the board's consensus that Yaxel Lendenborg, Aday Mara, Morez Johnson and Elliot Cadeau is a better foursome for next season than Kylan Boswell, David Mirkovic and the Ivisic twins? An easy comparison since it's roughly the same positions.

Yaxel is likely (but not certainly!) the best individual player there, but I think I'd shade the foursome our way. It's close, if you don't think it's at least close you've been diagnosed with Portal Brain.
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Yaxel is better than tomi
Mara and Z are really pretty close production wise.
Morez is better than merk
And cadeua and Boswell are very similar.

Hard to tell what merk ends up being, he could prove me wrong.
It's close but I'd take Michigan 7.5/10 times ATM
 
#171      
Boricua Illini
soupy17 said:
I also had the thought "well in games we lost we probably shot worse as a team as a whole"

As a team

In wins: 35.9% on 30.2 attempts per game

In Losses: 23.3% on 29.9 attempts per game

In close losses: 23.5% on 30.5 attempts per game.

Groundbreaking discovery - when we shot worse we lost!

However to go back to my first post on the subject, Ben shot ~4% worse in close losses compared to the rest of them, and that "rest of them" samples includes him going 0-fer at home against Michigan St. and the Duke game.

I think it comes down to him being the scapegoat in some of those games like @ Northwestern and @ Nebraska, both overtime losses where he shot a combined 1-16 from 3, and just in general being noticeably bad in some of those other close games. If we could have converted those to L's to wins it would have put us tied for 2nd in the B1G on record.
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Yeah, I think you nailed part of it—Ben became the scapegoat for a season that had real potential, but ultimately came up short. And to be fair, that shortcoming wasn’t all on him. There were a bunch of factors at play—youth, some questionable in-game decisions, bad luck, and just the grind of the B1G.

Personally, I really believe Brad Underwood wanted Ben to be the guy. Not because of blind faith, but because he saw it every day in practice. Plenty of people with access have said he was lights out in those settings. I think Brad let him keep shooting because he thought that if Ben could just break through whatever mental block he was dealing with, it could unlock the ceiling for the whole team.

But it became clearer as the season went on that it wasn’t going to happen—and that’s when we saw the shift. Ben started coming off the bench more, and Morez’s minutes picked up. If Morez doesn’t get hurt after that Superman block, I wouldn’t be surprised if he had overtaken Ben in minutes by the end.

I love Morez’s game and the toughness he brought, and sure, part of me wonders what could’ve been if we had gone all-in on him earlier. But even then, it’s not a guaranteed upgrade. Ben, even when he wasn’t hitting, still spaced the floor and drew defenders. Morez didn’t offer that threat from outside. And that two-big lineup with Morez and Tomi had its moments, but it wasn’t a fit against every team.

In the end, it feels like we tried to strike a balance between hope and adjustments. Maybe we held onto that hope for a little too long, but I get why.
 
#172      
The Dying Illini
ChiefGritty said:
Does it?

People keep reacting to commitments of guys that aren't as good as Boswell or Tomi as if we've totally lost the competitive race. A really severe case of Shiny Object-itis around here.
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Thats why this is a message board. You are entitled to your opinions as I am mine.

If your belief is with the roster as it currently stands (with Tomi and Boz as the key pieces) is going to compete for a B1G championship then more power to you.

Its a roster that still needs high impact scoring, rebounding, toughness and shot making. Id say thats a lot of holes to fill but thats just me.

We are behind and until we see more commitments that will be my stance.

Oh and for the rest of those keeping score at home Purdue lands another high impact player and the gap widens.
 
#174      
the juiceman cometh
ChiefGritty said:
Let me make this concrete.

Is the board's consensus that Yaxel Lendenborg, Aday Mara, Morez Johnson and Elliot Cadeau is a better foursome for next season than Kylan Boswell, David Mirkovic and the Ivisic twins? An easy comparison since it's roughly the same positions.

Yaxel is likely (but not certainly!) the best individual player there, but I think I'd shade the foursome our way. It's close, if you don't think it's at least close you've been diagnosed with Portal Brain.
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Well, to be fair you should also include their top-20 prep recruit (Trey McKenney) as well. Might be a better get than Cadeau. Still close but I think it puts them over the top.
 
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