Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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you get andrej... ace and monsanto

You have a PERFECT roster build around booty ball with andrej and +++ shooters around him.

maybe indy can confirm if this is indeeds brad/tylers plan and they finally figured chucking shots was no good.

I mean that’d be my plan … And I’d get rid of Ben to have the funds to make it happen as well as a little extra for a veteran PG … But hey what do I know …

And I don’t think that’s Brad’s plan …
 
#227      
Does Illinois even know that it’s ok to bring players in for visits?
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#228      
I think the silent majority of people support players getting paid, but the complainers who think themselves the true fans are loud. It's like how those same complainers want more upsets in the Tournament but the better schools bring in more eyeballs (which again tells you real life and what they're yelling don't align.)
A slightly different take:

Most people seem to support the players getting paid. There is a wide gulf in what people think constitutes "fair pay." It seems to stem from one group looking at revenue and the other at net income.

I think the "they deserve as much as they can get" group has actually been louder.
 
#230      
But to say some of these players are worth more than many, many professionals?
There are not many NBA players with meaningful roles making less than $4 million. And LOTS of NBA players make more than their coaches, some of them make double or more.

$4MM seems like a completely appropriate salary for a difference-making star in college basketball.

This sport is destroying itself. But it's the collapse of the connection of players to schools and schools to conferences that has done it, the size of the dollar figures involved is just noise.


Interesting. Could be why we see players entering the portal even though they might be out of eligibility.
To be clear, this lawsuit is challenging the "five years" part of "five years to play four". Not the "to play four" part.

Jett Elad's career:

2019 - Redshirt at Ohio
2020 - Played 3 games (their entire season due to Covid) at Ohio ---> doesn't count due to Covid waiver
2021 - Played at Ohio
2022 - Played at Juco
2023 - Played at UNLV
2024 - Played at UNLV

Per the new rules the Juco year doesn't count so he should have one more. But the rules did not extend the five year clock which started for him in 2019, so he's run out of time. It's a weird edge case.
 
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Stojakovic, Ace and Humdinger makes a good deal of sense.

My only question on a functional level for that roster is what do we do when Boswell isn't on the floor, or god forbid if he gets injured?
In my opinion, we need a backup PG, one who would also be able to start if Kylan misses games due to injury or illness. I hope that the Illini are looking at Isaiah Swope (SLU), Samage Teel (Indiana State), or a player of that ilk.
 
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Question to those in the loop. A transfer portal candidate is almost immediately tied to a school or likely has been in contact with a school. I don’t know the statistics but I’d assume more often than not said candidate ends up at that school (excluding ILL success rates).

Is this lull between announcing and committing more of obtaining more offers or giving it enough time so tampering (though 100% happening) is not suspected.
 
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There are not many NBA players with meaningful roles making less than $4 million. And LOTS of NBA players make more than their coaches, some of them make double or more.

$4MM seems like a completely appropriate salary for a difference-making star in college basketball.

This sport is destroying itself. But it's the collapse of the connection of players to schools and schools to conferences that has done it, the size of the dollar figures involved is just noise.
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Not a sustainable business model at the collegiate level when total athletic dept revenues are 1/3 that of NBA teams.
 
#235      
Think Ty or Andrej can run the point in an emergency. Also expect them to add 3 more guards/wings so whoever that third guy is ideally could help.
If the "emergency" was for a number of games, or longer, I don't think that you'd want your best scorer (Stojakovic in this case) or a player whose shot might be questionable (Rodgers), to be your Point Guard for a lengthy period of time.
 
#237      
You think that well is bottomless? I don't think so. And the quality of play has suffered immensely since NIL came into existence. I think very few are against players sharing in the revenue that they most certainly help generate. But to say some of these players are worth more than many, many professional players? Come on, man. The golden goose is currently being hacked to death.

And as for the coaches and university presidents, yes, they are highly compensated. Some would say over compensated in many cases. But they have also paid their dues, worked their way up, and gained experience/knowledge over DECADES. They are professionals that have ascended to the highest level of their PROFESSION. There is one coach and one president vs 10-15 players. Apples and oranges, IMO.
One of my points was not that the university president is overpaid. It was that the basketball coach makes 5 times what the university system president makes. It’s upside down, but it’s what the market is for basketball coaches at a major university. Same thing is finally happening for the players.
 
#238      
You think that well is bottomless? I don't think so. And the quality of play has suffered immensely since NIL came into existence. I think very few are against players sharing in the revenue that they most certainly help generate. But to say some of these players are worth more than many, many professional players? Come on, man. The golden goose is currently being hacked to death.

And as for the coaches and university presidents, yes, they are highly compensated. Some would say over compensated in many cases. But they have also paid their dues, worked their way up, and gained experience/knowledge over DECADES. They are professionals that have ascended to the highest level of their PROFESSION. There is one coach and one president vs 10-15 players. Apples and oranges, IMO.
The quality of play argument is nuts to me. Look at the All-B1G Freshmen team this year...lottery picks.
Dudes like Morez, Will Riley, and Yates didn't even make it but would have been no doubters in the past.
 
#239      
Loved those early 2000s Kings teams. They filled an NBA void for me after MJ retired the 2nd time.

One of the best passing teams I can remember with Divac, Webber, White Chocolate, and then Mike Bibby.

A couple ahead-of- their-time Euros in Peja and Hedo.

And a couple hometown heroes in Nick Anderson then Danville's Keon Clark.

Just couldn't get past Shaq and Kobe.
 
#240      
his reason for liking ben is that hes a nice guy. Thats great and all but this is the big 10.

mike vrabel - “We’re not going to win with just a bunch of good dudes”
 
#241      
Talking overall play across all teams. Of course there are talented individual players. How did things turn out for us with KJ, Will, and Morez all on our team?
 
#242      
You think that well is bottomless? I don't think so. And the quality of play has suffered immensely since NIL came into existence. I think very few are against players sharing in the revenue that they most certainly help generate. But to say some of these players are worth more than many, many professionals? Come on, man. The golden goose is currently being hacked to death.

And as for the coaches and university president, yes, they are highly compensated. Some would say over compensated in many cases. But they have also paid their dues, worked their way up, and gained experience/knowledge over DECADES. They are professionals that have ascended to the highest level of their PROFESSION. Apples and oranges, IMO.
I don't know how you watch college sports today and come away with thinking the quality of play has gone down when I think the opposite is true.

I also disagree with this concept of NCAA players deserving less money than pros, when pro leagues are built on underpaying players on their rookie contracts for the value they provide. It's because of NIL the G League Ignite was dismantled. The best players in the minor league are worth more to minor league teams than they would be as the worst players in the major league to major league teams, that's essentially what's happening to projected second rounders when they're looking for money between the NCAA and NBA.
 
#243      
Loved those early 2000s Kings teams. They filled an NBA void for me after MJ retired the 2nd time.

One of the best passing teams I can remember with Divac, Webber, White Chocolate, and then Mike Bibby.

A couple ahead-of- their-time Euros in Peja and Hedo.

And a couple hometown heroes in Nick Anderson then Danville's Keon Clark.

Just couldn't get past Shaq and Kobe.
The most "rigged" game in NBA history.

I remember watching this game live and it felt like there was no way the refs were going to let the Kings win that game. Refs had an agenda that night - call me conspiratorial all you want. I also didnt really have a rooting interest so it wasn't like it was confirmation bias on my end.

 
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#244      
How do you think the most talented teams today would fare against the most talented teams of 10, 20, 30 years ago? I would ask the same of the NBA and internationally. Overall skill and team play is way down in my opinion. I don't think I am alone in this belief. Yes, the athletes are incredible. But the basketball players, by and large, are not.
 
#245      
If it’s me …

I’m not bringing Ben back …

I’m bringing in Andrej, Ace, Monsanto, and Nate Calmese …

I like the Calmese kid and Wake Forest bag ain’t tough to beat …

IMO - we need a proven point guard … Old … Veteran …

Brad will likely go about things differently …
I would also prefer to not bring Ben back.

Ace and Monsanto I'm good with. But I'm not crazy about Calmese and his 29% 3-point shooting. Or 66.7% on FTs.

I've also been suggesting that we need a proven veteran PG.
 
#246      
I can’t believe after all the time they put in recruiting Dame Sarr BU backed off the kid adds so much athleticism that we don’t have. It just pisses me off
 
#249      
Be a lot more than a few hundred thousand …

Number I heard for Dain was $3 million … With multiple programs ready to pony up …

He made money at Memphis this year but not $3 million …
This year is just plain crazy. You can argue Dain is worth $1M maybe, but $3M?
 
#250      
I mean that’d be my plan … And I’d get rid of Ben to have the funds to make it happen as well as a little extra for a veteran PG … But hey what do I know …

And I don’t think that’s Brad’s plan …
How much did NIL funding Ben receive for 2024-25? Will he receive more, less, or the same next season?
 
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