Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Boskydell
BashCtIllini said:
the way I see it, aside from transfers or top 50 players, there's a 70% or better chance that all high school recruits will transfer.

Underwood has made it very clear, he has no concerns at all recruiting over you. I think these lowly rated guys are a waste of time. We are not going to skip on 4s because we're developing Landon Davis. He's going to be recruited over every year and either be content with earning a U of I degree and being able to say I was on the team or he transfers.

That's why, if I were in charge, I'd use these end of the bench spots on top instate players that aren't getting recruited to high majors. You can take a mid/low major offer, or you can come here, get your college paid for, get your degree, but you're essentially a glorified walkon. And maybe every once in a while you get lucky.

For example, if you look at Davis, you could say why not Hank Alvey last year from Illini Bluffs? 6'9" 240, I believe was a multiple time All State player, ended up going to Lehigh and actually had a nice Fr. year averaging 7 and 5. That's the type of player I'd try to fill the end of my bench with. Reward instate players.
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Speaking of in- state players, was hoping for one of T.Coleman(ISU) or D.Richardson( Bradley) for this year. The top senior this year may be 6'9" transfer Jamison White who will be playing the ESL Flyers. Wondering if we have any interest.
 
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IlliniFan42
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Reading the posts, it seems that many are assuming Davis is getting little to no NIL. And maybe they are right. I don’t know. But reading Indy’s posts, while he does not come right out and say how much, I get the feeling he is hinting that it might be a decent chunk o’ change. Certainly not in the range of the 1-8 or 9 top players on the roster, of course. And I suspect there is the fear that what he is getting paid could be just the amount needed to get a 4 or 5-star player, more or less. That is, there may be X number of dollars available for a 4 or 5-star player, which may not be quite enough, but adding what they are paying Davis might have gotten them there. Probably far-fetched, but that is kind of what I thought Indy may have hinted at.
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I would not be surprised if the transition to revenue sharing means guys aren't exactly paid their worth like they used to and instead the pay has flattened out some. It's easier for the university to keep paying disparity extreme when they can wash their hands and say it's the collective's doing.
 
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the juiceman cometh
IlliniFan42 said:
I would not be surprised if the transition to revenue sharing means guys aren't exactly paid their worth like they used to and instead the pay has flattened out some. It's easier for the university to keep paying disparity extreme when they can wash their hands and say it's the collective's doing.
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Revenue share does not get rid of NIL.
 
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illinibbcz
PleaseMakeABowlGame said:
does this include the walk on guys like Redd, Max Williams, etc? Because by my count that's only 12: Davis, brown, jakstys, Lee, Wagler, Mirkovic, Davis, Ty, Petrovic, Stoj, the twins. (Yes I know all those guys won't be back, just trying to understand the logic)
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Fagbemi
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
LvilleILL1 said:
We at the top right now for a couple of really high level high school recruits
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the juiceman cometh
IlliniFan42 said:
It doesn't get rid of it but my understanding is that a lot of money previously going to NIL now goes to fund revenue sharing, hence ICON ending its mission as an NIL gatherer.
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Money going to NIL cannot go directly to revenue share. Revenue share has to be from revenue, and for the purpose of revenue share, donations are not considered revenue.

Now, I'm sure what you're saying is more along the lines of "revenue share is $20 million, that $20 million will come from other expenses, and donor money that was going to NIL will go to cover those shortfalls instead." And if total NIL outlay was, say $30 million, and now revenue share is $20 million, then there is $10 million less for players. But like I said, NIL is not gone. There are more restrictions (and those restrictions are why ICON is revising its mission/approach), but it is still way to early to determine whether those will 1) actually be enforced or 2) survive legal challenges. Even if the answer to both is yes, boosters will still utilize NIL to get money to players. They will just have to do a very good job drumming up a legitimate business purpose, and will have to make sure there is no documentation of any pay-for-play type arrangement.
 
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Illinisnake
alexander58 said:
I’ll play devils advocate. He has a nice stroke, has good footwork, and executes nicely in the pick and roll. It looks like lot of Fletch in his future.
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We are just coming off of a great NBA draft run with TSJ previous year, this year Riley and KJ. I think we can really extend the reach for some top 5 star players. That's all I am thinking. We can get 3 star players probably whenever.
 
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IlliniFan42
BashCtIllini said:
the way I see it, aside from transfers or top 50 players, there's a 70% or better chance that all high school recruits will transfer.

Underwood has made it very clear, he has no concerns at all recruiting over you. I think these lowly rated guys are a waste of time. We are not going to skip on 4s because we're developing Landon Davis. He's going to be recruited over every year and either be content with earning a U of I degree and being able to say I was on the team or he transfers.

That's why, if I were in charge, I'd use these end of the bench spots on top instate players that aren't getting recruited to high majors. You can take a mid/low major offer, or you can come here, get your college paid for, get your degree, but you're essentially a glorified walkon. And maybe every once in a while you get lucky.

For example, if you look at Davis, you could say why not Hank Alvey last year from Illini Bluffs? 6'9" 240, I believe was a multiple time All State player, ended up going to Lehigh and actually had a nice Fr. year averaging 7 and 5. That's the type of player I'd try to fill the end of my bench with. Reward instate players.
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Also, from a financial perspective- does a scholarship cost the athletic program less if it's given to an in-state student due to the tuition difference?
 
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the juiceman cometh
IlliniFan42 said:
Also, from a financial perspective- does a scholarship cost the athletic program less if it's given to an in-state student due to the tuition difference?
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No.

The cost of the scholarship is basically the opportunity cost of that spot going to a student paying full freight, at the highest possible cost. I don't believe there is any required allocation of in-state admissions, therefore any scholarship could have gone to an out-of-state student, so that is your opportunity cost.
 
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IlliniFan42
the juiceman cometh said:
No.

The cost of the scholarship is basically the opportunity cost of that spot going to a student paying full freight, at the highest possible cost. I don't believe there is any required allocation of in-state admissions, therefore any scholarship could have gone to an out-of-state student, so that is your opportunity cost.
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What I mean is for accounting purposes, when the athletic department pays the school for each athlete's tuition (because that's essentially what a scholarship is), are they paying different rates for in-state vs out-of-state players, not due to a required allocation, but due to the school's own tuition price difference?

Like if Illinois charges $10k to in-state and $20k to out-of-state, is that also the cost of scholarships to the athletic department or are they all one set price?
 
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FrankNitty30
BashCtIllini said:
the way I see it, aside from transfers or top 50 players, there's a 70% or better chance that all high school recruits will transfer.

Underwood has made it very clear, he has no concerns at all recruiting over you. I think these lowly rated guys are a waste of time. We are not going to skip on 4s because we're developing Landon Davis. He's going to be recruited over every year and either be content with earning a U of I degree and being able to say I was on the team or he transfers.

That's why, if I were in charge, I'd use these end of the bench spots on top instate players that aren't getting recruited to high majors. You can take a mid/low major offer, or you can come here, get your college paid for, get your degree, but you're essentially a glorified walkon. And maybe every once in a while you get lucky.

For example, if you look at Davis, you could say why not Hank Alvey last year from Illini Bluffs? 6'9" 240, I believe was a multiple time All State player, ended up going to Lehigh and actually had a nice Fr. year averaging 7 and 5. That's the type of player I'd try to fill the end of my bench with. Reward instate players.
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I do agree with this
 
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WyattEarp
BashCtIllini said:
the way I see it, aside from transfers or top 50 players, there's a 70% or better chance that all high school recruits will transfer.

Underwood has made it very clear, he has no concerns at all recruiting over you. I think these lowly rated guys are a waste of time. We are not going to skip on 4s because we're developing Landon Davis. He's going to be recruited over every year and either be content with earning a U of I degree and being able to say I was on the team or he transfers.

That's why, if I were in charge, I'd use these end of the bench spots on top instate players that aren't getting recruited to high majors. You can take a mid/low major offer, or you can come here, get your college paid for, get your degree, but you're essentially a glorified walkon. And maybe every once in a while you get lucky.

For example, if you look at Davis, you could say why not Hank Alvey last year from Illini Bluffs? 6'9" 240, I believe was a multiple time All State player, ended up going to Lehigh and actually had a nice Fr. year averaging 7 and 5. That's the type of player I'd try to fill the end of my bench with. Reward instate players.
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I Agree Sabrina Carpenter GIF by First We Feast
 
#225      
WhereDoWeStandWithStorr?
Indy Illini Fan said:
And they won’t see the court until Duke is up 30 … They also came to Duke for 0 NIL … They are essentially PWOs … Like AJ Redd & Fagbemi for us …

We are going to be paying Davis … They expect him to play …
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I'll eat my crow if I'm wrong, there's no way he's playing 10 minutes/game over the course of a season. And if he does we won't be disappointed. Either he doesn't play, or truly and authentically earns a role.... NOT he plays significant minutes while also looking subpar and not belonging.
 
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