Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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We pushing hard for Holmes? Even if, in vain?

He is the type of player that Brad HAS made into an All American multiple times. I just don't get how he isn't a "we can't let him leave without a commitment" guy.

Reckon I'm just surprised we have an official visit with a DUDE that I feel could be an absolute game changer but yet it seems like there is little optimism.

We’re pushing for Holmes somewhat …

We’re in better spot with Jervis & Constanza … Be interesting to see if Jervis takes all his visits … Or his visit schedule changes … I continue to hear it’s NC State, MSU, Texas & Illinois …

For Holmes … Gonna be REAL tough to beat …

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We’re pushing for Holmes somewhat …

We’re in better spot with Jervis & Constanza … Be interesting to see if Jervis takes all his visits … Or his visit schedule changes … I continue to hear it’s NC State, MSU, Texas & Illinois …

For Holmes … Gonna be REAL tough to beat …

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Taking 8 visits is insane, doubt that goes through. Imagine a coach in the middle/end of that slate... even for the kid... inequitable for all parties.
 
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lol.. Buck - Still a dawg
So Sencire transferred to Cincinnati, and Amani transferred to Virginia Tech following Chester there, who spent some time there under a previous coach. I wonder why Sencire didn’t go to VT also. Interesting. Just can’t keep up with all these transfers, etc. I assume it was mostly because DeVries went to Indiana that all three transferred. Chester was not going there, as I remember was mentioned by one of the insiders a while back. I wonder if DeVries tried to persuade Sencire and Amani to follow or if they just didn’t think it would be a good fit. Or, perhaps, even though they only spent one year with Illinois, based on their experience here and in the Big Ten, they were NOT going to Indiana
 
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So Sencire transferred to Cincinnati, and Amani transferred to Virginia Tech following Chester there, who spent some time there under a previous coach. I wonder why Sencire didn’t go to VT also. Interesting. Just can’t keep up with all these transfers, etc. I assume it was mostly because DeVries went to Indiana that all three transferred. Chester was not going there, as I remember was mentioned by one of the insiders a while back. I wonder if DeVries tried to persuade Sencire and Amani to follow or if they just didn’t think it would be a good fit. Or, perhaps, even though they only spent one year with Illinois, based on their experience here and in the Big Ten, they were NOT going to Indiana
I assume VT (and for that matter IU) wasn't interested. I like Sencire plenty, great effort guy, but he's a pretty limited basketball player. Excellent defender but negative value on the other side of the ledger. 11% 3pt shooter (and yet taking 2.5 per game).
 
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And will presumably have a good chunk of $$ since their NIL is likely 99% MBB..
Bingo … Big East schools all have big advantage …

Doesn’t hurt they can sell Kolek & Kam … Their system works very, very well for guards …
The thing to remember is that while the bulk of their revenue can go toward basketball, they don't have football programs to bring in that revenue. Not gonna be as easy for them as many have assumed.
 
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The thing to remember is that while the bulk of their revenue can go toward basketball, they don't have football programs to bring in that revenue. Not gonna be as easy for them as many have assumed.
Yes, from a revenue sharing perspective, but it’s still advantageous from a NIL perspective. There are many fewer hands reaching out for booster support. Considering that the average revenue sharing amount for basketball programs is expected to be around 3.3 million, that’s not a huge deficit to make up. When you only have 8-9 priority athletes to pay, rather than 60 or so (fb & bb combined) there is a lot less booster solicitation fatigue.
 
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Yes, from a revenue sharing perspective, but it’s still advantageous from a NIL perspective. There are many fewer hands reaching out for booster support. Considering that the average revenue sharing amount for basketball programs is expected to be around 3.3 million, that’s not a huge deficit to make up. When you only have 8-9 priority athletes to pay, rather than 60 or so (fb & bb combined) there is a lot less booster solicitation fatigue.

big props for "booster solicitation fatigue"
 
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Yes, from a revenue sharing perspective, but it’s still advantageous from a NIL perspective. There are many fewer hands reaching out for booster support. Considering that the average revenue sharing amount for basketball programs is expected to be around 3.3 million, that’s not a huge deficit to make up. When you only have 8-9 priority athletes to pay, rather than 60 or so (fb & bb combined) there is a lot less booster solicitation fatigue.
Balancing factor is your average b10 schools have about 3xs the alumni base of a bE school.

More donors to share the fatigue
 
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We’re pushing for Holmes somewhat …

We’re in better spot with Jervis & Constanza … Be interesting to see if Jervis takes all his visits … Or his visit schedule changes … I continue to hear it’s NC State, MSU, Texas & Illinois …

For Holmes … Gonna be REAL tough to beat …

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Taking 8 visits is insane, doubt that goes through. Imagine a coach in the middle/end of that slate... even for the kid... inequitable for all parties.
maybe take 5 rather than 8? Because all four of those schools are in his first five scheduled - NC State, MSU, Pitt, Texas, Illinois in that order.
 
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We’re pushing for Holmes somewhat …

We’re in better spot with Jervis & Constanza … Be interesting to see if Jervis takes all his visits … Or his visit schedule changes … I continue to hear it’s NC State, MSU, Texas & Illinois …

For Holmes … Gonna be REAL tough to beat …

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Sleepers guys made a video saying they think its MSU/NC State.
 
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Balancing factor is your average b10 schools have about 3xs the alumni base of a bE school.

More donors to share the fatigue
Not to mention the revenue and national brand recognition garnered by a good CFB program. Short of donor influx, it'd be a tall task to come up with the 20 million to revenue-share without football.

You can't sell me that any of those Big East teams wouldn't trade places with a Big Ten/SEC school in a heartbeat. This 20 mil revenue share thing will be a temporary fix to a chronic issue. NCAA is toothless and it's only a matter of time before the big dogs come and test it.

When, inevitably, conference realignment/media rights deals come up again....You better have a viable Top 25 football program with a passionate following and a big media market if you want a chair at the big boy table.

Even then, you'll just be at the meeting while Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, etc.. draw up the new landscape. Can't say I blame them either. How long does OSU want to divide it's earnings for making the CFP with everybody else while Notre Dame walks away with a fat check for itself.
 
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Not to mention the revenue and national brand recognition garnered by a good CFB program. Short of donor influx, it'd be a tall task to come up with the 20 million to revenue-share without football.

You can't sell me that any of those Big East teams wouldn't trade places with a Big Ten/SEC school in a heartbeat. This 20 mil revenue share thing will be a temporary fix to a chronic issue. NCAA is toothless and it's only a matter of time before the big dogs come and test it.

When, inevitably, conference realignment/media rights deals come up again....You better have a viable Top 25 football program with a passionate following and a big media market if you want a chair at the big boy table.

Even then, you'll just be at the meeting while Ohio State, Michigan, Texas, etc.. draw up the new landscape. Can't say I blame them either. How long does OSU want to divide it's earnings for making the CFP with everybody else while Notre Dame walks away with a fat check for itself.
The last point re NDvs OSU doesn't make sense.

ND gets ~20M a year from NBC tv whereas Ohio State gets ~60M from the Big 10. Nd got 16-20 million in cfp distributions. Do you think Ohio State is going to push for a model in which it makes less?
 
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The last point re NDvs OSU doesn't make sense.

ND gets ~20M a year from NBC tv whereas Ohio State gets ~60M from the Big 10. Nd got 16-20 million in cfp distributions. Do you think Ohio State is going to push for a model in which it makes less?
Not at all. I think they push for a model where they keep the 20 million for themselves and fight for a share of the TV Deal commensurate with their viewership/massive following.
 
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Not at all. I think they push for a model where they keep the 20 million for themselves and fight for a share of the TV Deal commensurate with their viewership/massive following.
Are you suggesting they'd go independent? Good luck scheduling games. I'd expect the Big Ten to bar its programs from scheduling them, and I'd guess most other P4 teams would be reluctant to schedule OSU (as they are increasingly reluctant to schedule tough non-cons), so how are they going to fill out a quality 12 game schedule?
 
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Are you suggesting they'd go independent? Good luck scheduling games. I'd expect the Big Ten to bar its programs from scheduling them, and I'd guess most other P4 teams would be reluctant to schedule OSU (as they are increasingly reluctant to schedule tough non-cons), so how are they going to fill out a quality 12 game schedule?
Not independent.

But get a media share commensurate with what they are bringing to the table Big Ten wise...

At some point, they are going to say ,"We're all equal, but some of us are more equal than the others".

Why should they get an equal share of the broadcasting deal when they account for a much larger portion of the viewership etc.

Not what I hope ..but in a world of revenue share? They'd be silly not to leverage the Big IMO
 
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Not independent.

But get a media share commensurate with what they are bringing to the table Big Ten wise...

At some point, they are going to say ,"We're all equal, but some of us are more equal than the others".

Why should they get an equal share of the broadcasting deal when they account for a much larger portion of the viewership etc.

Not what I hope ..but in a world of revenue share? They'd be silly not to leverage the Big IMO
And the other 17 member institutions are going to agree to that because?

The only conference anything like that has happened is the ACC, as a last ditch effort to settle a lawsuit and keep Florida St. and Clemson in the league for the time being. At this point there's no real danger of OSU leaving the Big Ten, so absolutely no reason any other program would agree to something like this. It would be bad for the conference, bad for all but 3 or 4 programs, and honestly bad for the entire conference model (which obviously the conference has a vested interest in). The only way this happens is if a "super-league" concept, with big name programs leaving their conferences to join some kind of "mini-NFL" gains steam, and unequal revenue share is the only way to prevent it.
 
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The last point re NDvs OSU doesn't make sense.

ND gets ~20M a year from NBC tv whereas Ohio State gets ~60M from the Big 10. Nd got 16-20 million in cfp distributions. Do you think Ohio State is going to push for a model in which it makes less?
How much does ND get from the ACC? They play play 5 FB games/season vs. ACC opponents every year (may be 6 now that Stanford is part of the ACC), and all other sports.
 
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Not at all. I think they push for a model where they keep the 20 million for themselves and fight for a share of the TV Deal commensurate with their viewership/massive following.
What you’re forgetting is that while Ohio State has to share its CFP money, it also gets shares of the revenue from CFP participants Penn State and Indiana as well as from all the other bowls where the B1G was represented.

Now does that math equal out in Ohio State’s favor? Probably not, but what this system does do for the Buckeyes is provide insurance against otherwise “down” seasons. Take Michigan for instance. National Champions two seasons ago and top conference earner to mere New Years bowl participant the next. Who knows, maybe this year they’ll miss the postseason altogether. The current model allows them steady revenue in all seasons, good or bad.
 
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