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I seem to recall a specific rule regarding age limits in the NCAA though. Or was it regarding financial aid/scholarships? Either way, Lebron James ain't walking through the door for a season with the Illini, though the same argument could be made there - especially considering he never played in college and would have full eligibility.
And yes, when it comes to sports leagues, no one has ever really questioned age limits when it comes to U17, U19, U16 etc. leagues. I don't think it would be that difficult to place a limit on age here, nor do I think there would be that much opposition to it. It's always a huge uproar when youth leagues run into scandals where a kid is clearly older than the league he's in and throws competition into question. Hell, look how much hubbub is caused by the mere *suggestion* that a male-to-female transsexual be allowed to play in a women's sports league, a situational uproar way out of proportion with the number of times it has ever happened. If the NCAA said tomorrow, "We're limiting eligibilty to athletes under the age of 26," it would be almost unanimously agreed. In fact, I'd say most rules were relatively agreed upon.
I think people just assume that because things are the wild west right now that any suggestion of any regulation would be easily knocked down by courts based on how the courts reacted to this particular issue. The fact is, the NCAA prior to this was allowed to get out of hand on its own when it comes to abuse of the name, image, and likeness of players, and the change that has led to today was meant to correct that abuse. The fact that no regulations have been placed on it does not mean it should not have happened.
Courts are presumed to act with a sense of reasonableness. Opinions on these sorts of random questions (can a former G-league recruit or NBA player or a 46-year-old join the NCAA?) can and will be formed, challenged, knocked down, upheld, etc. And over time that will form the basis for what the NCAA will become. In order for any of that to happen, the NCAA needs to actually act. They've refused to up to this point, and the wild west continues.
And yes, when it comes to sports leagues, no one has ever really questioned age limits when it comes to U17, U19, U16 etc. leagues. I don't think it would be that difficult to place a limit on age here, nor do I think there would be that much opposition to it. It's always a huge uproar when youth leagues run into scandals where a kid is clearly older than the league he's in and throws competition into question. Hell, look how much hubbub is caused by the mere *suggestion* that a male-to-female transsexual be allowed to play in a women's sports league, a situational uproar way out of proportion with the number of times it has ever happened. If the NCAA said tomorrow, "We're limiting eligibilty to athletes under the age of 26," it would be almost unanimously agreed. In fact, I'd say most rules were relatively agreed upon.
I think people just assume that because things are the wild west right now that any suggestion of any regulation would be easily knocked down by courts based on how the courts reacted to this particular issue. The fact is, the NCAA prior to this was allowed to get out of hand on its own when it comes to abuse of the name, image, and likeness of players, and the change that has led to today was meant to correct that abuse. The fact that no regulations have been placed on it does not mean it should not have happened.
Courts are presumed to act with a sense of reasonableness. Opinions on these sorts of random questions (can a former G-league recruit or NBA player or a 46-year-old join the NCAA?) can and will be formed, challenged, knocked down, upheld, etc. And over time that will form the basis for what the NCAA will become. In order for any of that to happen, the NCAA needs to actually act. They've refused to up to this point, and the wild west continues.
Mandatory retirement isn't a thing?
See if we can also get his dad to play linebacker for us.
Generally, that’s seen as age-based discrimination and has been ruled unlawful in the past, IIRC.
Big Jack
- Decatur
Not that it would even remotely happen, but I believe the clock is not ticking once you enter college. Only factor is when you fulfill your eligibility. BYU has had many athletes play a year ot two then do their required ministry then return to play out their eligibility. Although it is not CBB I know a couple of golfers who played in college for a year or two then left school only to return to another school years later and play.
Love Kofi, but give me one more year of Feliz.
Illini in Italy
- Illini HQ, Florida Panhandle
Yup. Federal requirements for airline pilots to retire at 65, air traffic controllers must retire at 56. Military officers must retire at 62, exceptions for General/Flag officers who must retire at 64. Federal law enforcement officers, national park rangers and firefighters have a mandatory retirement age of 57, or later if less than 20 years of service. Foreign Service employees at the Department of State must retire at 65 with very narrow exceptions. There’s a plethora of state positions that also have mandated retirement ages. Note that these are all government mandated restrictions - it is pretty much illegal in the commercial world - age discrimination.
Yes- why was Tomi a Soph last year and Petro a sophomore this year? Tomi was only 21 last year so it would seem to be the same case
NBA draft pick joins Baylor for second half of season in unprecedented move
Basketball fans are baffled on social media after Nigerian center James Nnaji, a 2023 NBA Draft pick, committed to Baylor, where he'll play the second half of the season.www.foxnews.com
Sounds like all 4 years. If that is true then some of our European players should have a full 4 years
The bigger issue is how can you hold ncaa and international players to the deadline to pull out of the draft now?? A player can just stay in the draft and if they don’t like their draft results, don’t sign a contract then just come back to college and make NIL. I see lawsuits coming from players that still have college eligibility left
Big Jack
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Kofi, Ayo, Will, Meyers,
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Umm...theres a lot of jobs with age restrictions
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1) NCAA has zero ability to enact an age limit restriction. (the age limit analogies provided are not legally identical/applicable)
2) the restriction on number of years of eligibility is a stronger position and possibly defensible but will eventually get challenged.
I worked as an attorney on the NCAA v. Alston case and others.
2) the restriction on number of years of eligibility is a stronger position and possibly defensible but will eventually get challenged.
I worked as an attorney on the NCAA v. Alston case and others.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
1) He didn’t state his expectation as an ANNUAL one but rather as an ever-present goal.
2) His goal was to COMPETE for a National Championship, such as finding yourself in the Elite Eight with a genuine reason for hope that you can break into the Final Four.
That is a reasonable long-term goal for our program, as in over a several-year stretch. It’s absurd to expect crazy good years every single season, but it’s selling our program short to be content with good KenPom rankings that result in Second Round finishes … and I’m positive BU and JW agree.
Those listed are all collectively bargained between the employer and the union. So they’d stand up in court.
And the issue with jobs like the military for instance where there is an age restriction is more about the ability to do the job physically and the demand from that entity. For instance to join the Marines, the maximum age with a waiver is 35. But if someone was 36, and challenged it in court, the military could just argue that a 36 year old is more likely to develop physical ailments during enlistment time (36-40) than anyone younger than them and thus the younger serviceman is more likely to be a more effective soldier.
You couldn’t argue this point in the NCAA until guys were well past 35. You can’t argue that 25 year old Drew Timme isn’t good enough to play NCAA basketball because he’s too old. Whereas with other rare labor intensive jobs that try to get people out the govt argues it’s due to their ability to do the job when in reality it’s about not wanting to pay them their salaries/benefits once they hit certain ages. And most of those areas are collectively bargained. If the NCAA collectively bargained with the athletes, there’s no way they’d agree to eligibility limits
Can you imagine MLB, NBA, or NFL players agreeing to a maximum retirement age? It’d never happen. And wouldn’t happen in NCAA either. And without a CBA, I don’t see anything the NCAA tries to enforce standing up in court including eligibility limits.
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Tevo
- Wilmette, IL
But Deron today? Like 40-yr old, been out of the league for years, Deron?
Tevo
- Wilmette, IL
And I don’t think Ayo or Will would take $2M in NIL to come back and play…
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
This conversation started because he claimed this year’s team is soft, not sold on it, and called the Balkans a “risk for the program”:
That risk is certainly paying off, right? This is currently Brad’s highest rated team in KenPom, ever (I know, you don’t care about KenPom results, but the NCAAT hasn’t happened yet, so we can’t use that as a measuring stick for the season).
As you pointed out, his second post was then “this team is solid, but not a national championship contender”:
Is the #9 team in the country not in “contention” for the national championship? That sounds like a team solidly in the mix.
Btw, yes of course, JW should have high expectations and hold BU to a high standard. And BU should have high expectations and hold his players to a high standard. They’re leading the program, doing this for a career (not for fun), and have a direct impact on the results.
I, on the other hand, do not watch sports for a career, I do it for fun, and I have no direct impact on the results.
Therefore, I care just as much about how enjoyable a season is (are we playing in big time games with high stakes, are we winning a few of them, do we have sold out arenas, are we landing a good seed, etc) as I do whether or not we hit a certain number of wins in a single elimination tournament after the season is over.
Everyone can fan how they want to fan, but I just the love game, man, and the thing that sucks the most about losing in March, regardless of which game we lose in, is the fact that the season’s over. Because this is whole thing is fun for me.
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Meyers Leonard doesn’t need the money but I bet he’d come back and play if he felt his body was good to go.
And I bet if you asked Bret Bielema if he was good with giving Luke a 4 year extension on his deal, he’d be fine paying Luke to be Illinois QB for 4 more years if Luke isnt good enough to make an NFL roster.
Most fun is winning and winning is most fun. And it boils down to winning in the tourney, period, for me.
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
Hey, I love winning too. But if “it boils down to winning the tourney, period”, you’re likely going to be disappointed with the results every single season. How is that any fun?
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