Yeah...let's get the government involved. They always make things better
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Yeah...let's get the government involved. They always make things better
Sometimes it actually does. If not for government we'd still have child labor and lead paint, and we wouldn't have a national infrastructure (interstates, ports, airports) that allowed us to become a superpower. That infrastructure later fell into a poor state due to subsequent government inattention - an example of what happens when government stops doing the work.
The problem with the NCAA proposal is it goes too far. There might be a Congressional fix to this situation but it would need to be more narrowly tailored and with input from the players, and not just adopting whatever the NCAA wants.
Why can a european professional play college ball, but an American professional not? One lawsuit should stop that immediately, and the mess will continue to get worse.
The government is involved. The judges are the government. Unfortunately, the only constraints on activist judges are appeals and the judicial system is way to slow to deal with situations that need to be resolved quickly.
Unless something changes, here is where I think we are headed (full disclosure, I look at this from the perspective of being an attorney and what arguments I could make on behalf of players):
Anyone who is an enrolled student at a university will be able to play sports and be paid for doing so until there is no mutual agreement.
With the development of these rulings and arguments being made, there really is no other restriction on athletes and schools that seems valid.
Even a law that restricts colleges from providing opportunities to players who have exhausted some arbitrary number of years of eligibility or who have played "professionally" seems like it would be subject to a real valid challenge. What is the difference between "professional" and "amateur" now? The amount of pay? Seems like a tough argument to make.
What is there to keep a university or athlete from challenging any years restriction? Why can't a PhD student play on the basketball team? Why can't they stay 7 or 8 years? Or more? As long as you are an enrolled student, I think there is a real argument that you should not be restricted from playing. No arbitrary years of eligibility imposed.
Meaning anyone...it could get wild. Guys who have already played in college or the NBA and want to come back... Ayo comes back for a Master's Degree...that kind of thing. Michael Jordan wants to give college basketball a shot at age 70...idk. At this point, I just don't know how the NCAA or anyone else makes the argument that a restriction other than being a student is a valid one.
Curbelo Fanboy
BERTBALL IS LIFE
Pistol Pete's career scoring record doesn't have long left for this world I'm afraid. He'll be overtaken by a guy in his 8th year that averages 18 a game.
Curbelo Fanboy
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I've suspected we are headed towards a model where the whole student part of the student athlete gets blown out of the water & the players are essentially just paid employees of the university. Lets be honest we've had some of those for a while. Your scenario may be more realistically how it plays out but no less absurd in practice.
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
JCL? Is he still playing?
If so, he would probably working towards a 2nd or 3rd doctorate.JCL? Is he still playing?
Curbelo Fanboy
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Career highlights 2015 - hit a buzzer beater to beat Chicago State in SpringfieldJCL? Is he still playing?
2022 - won a natty.
2027 - averages 12 points a game for Central Michigan
Also a possibility. But at least to me, the student requirement is the final distinction between college and pro. If they are just employees of the University, then you just have a University sponsored pro basketball team and there is truly no distinction between the NBA and College. The argument for the distinction is that college students pursuing athletics for the school enhances the social and educational goals of a University...sort of the same reasons a HS or junior high justifies having sports teams. If the educational component is removed and the players are simply employees, the teams just become a business- a government or private financed business venture in the same way as an NBA team.
And if that is the case, what are alumni even rooting for? Without the players being students, the alums and fans are getting a whole different rooting interest. Just the University as a sports business venture? At least for now, we still have the illusion that all the players are seeking out an education. Of course, in many cases they still are but in many cases we know they will be moving on with no intention of getting a degree.
OrangeBlue98
Iowa is not in a great spot right now (LvilleILL1)
- Des Moines, IA
I mean he’s not wrong, but I don’t think this is the correct messenger.
www.espn.com
John Calipari critical of adding pro players to college game
With recent additions of players with professional experience to college teams, Arkansas coach John Calipari said Monday that without new rules, the sport will lose high school players.
Charlie Baker released a statement saying players who have signed NBA contracts (including 2-ways) are ineligible 
hooraybeer
- Peoria, IL
laughably ironic, calapari pleading for the NCAA to establish more rules.I mean he’s not wrong, but I don’t think this is the correct messenger.
John Calipari critical of adding pro players to college game
With recent additions of players with professional experience to college teams, Arkansas coach John Calipari said Monday that without new rules, the sport will lose high school players.
people would take his (reasonable) argument more seriously if it was delivered by someone that hadn’t made a career out of skirting (or outright disobeying) the NCAA rules to their own benefit. he doesn’t have the unfair advantage that he used to have and he’s upset about it
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I have zero interest in that kid … His body language was horrible …
And I don’t even know for sure if he’s got eligibility left … But what even is the definition of eligibility anymore
Well how can he break the rules if he doesn’t know what they are? It’s unfair that he can get an unfair advantage.
With the amount of great guards we’ve produced over the years (especially this year)… we should have a VERY good sell after Kylan and Keaton depart.I have zero interest in that kid … His body language was horrible …
And I don’t even know for sure if he’s got eligibility left … But what even is the definition of eligibility anymore
Honestly, would that be the worst thing ever? Pistol Pete was a great player, but let's be honest here - he was a classic chucker. He played 3 years and also holds the record for most field goal attempts, with 200 more attempts than the next guy (someone who played 5 years). The #1-3 most field goal attempts in a season are held by Pistol Pete. When TSJ set the school record for points in a season he did it on 461 attempts, which is an entire 707 fewer attempts than Pete took in his final NCAA season.
Nobody will ever take more shots than Pistol Pete. He will always have those records. If someone more efficient wants to take the all-time points record, why not?
There also wasn't a three point line, so imagine what his total would be in today's game.
RabidDawgClassic
- Los Angeles, CA
So, in other words… “no comment.”
Oh for sure. But that's still just a staggeringly insane number of shots. As a point of reference, Steve Nash, a 2x NBA MVP, never once in 18 years attempted as many shots in an NBA season as Maravich did in his final season in college, despite having 50(!) more games to do so. That's kinda wild!
The VA in Chicago is really quite good.
Pistal Pete should have been more like Magic Johnson. Picked his spots when scoring and concentrated on passing and setting up his teammates. He played for his dad and like the other SEC schools in the late 1960's he had no black teammates. He should have played for an integrated Northern team and far away from his dad's coaching. Illinois was coming off the slush fund so our talent was down compared to teams like Purdue, Ohio State and Iowa. Pistol playing for the 1969-1970 Iowa Hawkeyes probably beats UCLA for the national championship. He would have been passing to future pros Freddie Brown and John Johnson.
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