Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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joeybcrazy13
I believe a certain players meeting today had an unexpected twist!! Just a guess... maybe the whimsical musing of old mad man... maybe not... Some people are wired different
 
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RIP_Chief_2003
Illini_Jack said:
Can't believe no one has gone into the portal yet
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Be Quiet Tim And Eric GIF
 
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RollChief
Since 2018-19, only two freshmen have started on national championship-winning teams: Alex Karaban for UConn in 2022-23 and Stephon Castle for UConn in 2023-24.

I’m not sure whether that’s truly anomalous, but it does feel statistically meaningful. Take it for what it’s worth, but at minimum it may serve as a useful reminder when thinking about how to build a championship-caliber team. Regardless, I’d be interested to hear other perspectives on it.
 
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Scoregasm
lstewart53x3 said:
How did last year’s portal rankings compare to the end of season KenPom rankings? Here’s the top 10:

St John’s: 1 / 13 (-12)
Michigan: 2 / 1 (+1)
Lousville: 3 / 19 (-16)
Kansas St: 4 / 103 (-99)
Kentucky: 5 / 29 (-24)
Florida: 6 / 6 (0)
USC: 7 / 77 (-70)
Iowa: 8 / 22 (-14)
Auburn: 9 / 36 (-27)
Indiana: 10 / 45 (-35)

We were: 38 / 5 (+33)
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Ksu woof!...us yeah!
 
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ChiefGritty
RollChief said:
Since 2018-19, only two freshmen have started on national championship-winning teams: Alex Karaban for UConn in 2022-23 and Stephon Castle for UConn in 2023-24.

I’m not sure whether that’s truly anomalous, but it does feel statistically meaningful. Take it for what it’s worth, but at minimum it may serve as a useful reminder when thinking about how to build a championship-caliber team. Regardless, I’d be interested to hear other perspectives on it.
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The period from 21-25 is a historical anomaly in terms of guys being able to play their 5th full season of college basketball, which is very difficult for freshmen to compete against.

Europe and the transfer portal will continue to push up the average age and experience level in the best teams too, but perhaps to a somewhat lesser degree.

This would all look very different if Jon Scheyer were a slightly better coach and Duke won it all last year, as they should have.
 
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ILLFAN67
ChiefGritty said:
I feel caught between my distaste for portal-season narrative manipulation propaganda and my quiet feeling that Boswell's defense has been overrated this whole time.

There were certain small quick guard matchups for which we simply had no alternative to Boswell though, that's undeniably true, and so we were a worse defensive team without him. Fears, Boyd, and Braeden Smith all feasted in his absence.
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Those guys pretty much feasted on everyone. That’s why they were all conference. He was our best option at defense before he got hurt. We played one of the top schedules in the country and the guy generally got their beat player. Did pretty well considering. The hand injury really hurt him and probably cost us a couple of championships this season.
 
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aaeismacgychel
NarrowJ said:
EvanMiya.com is what I used. Keep in mind 8 points is per 100 possessions, so is the equivalent of 0.08 per single possession.

FOX Sports Data has him consistently between 0.6-0.9 defensive points per possession over his career, which is elite (even though I don't agree he's an "elite" defender; the bar that was set that I am crossing with my commentary was he "isn't good" which is far from the same argument as "isn't elite").

It's what nearly always happens with these types of discussions on here. There are many people involved in every discussion so the goal posts move around as different people chime in.
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Appreciate the response. 8pts per 100 possessions is actually an extraordinarily high number for an individual defender. And based on the context you're using it in, that's a statistically adjusted number? I need to do some research into how Evan does his calculations as that just does not make much sense to me. That would indeed make his performance this season one of the best all time. Even '24 Clingan was considered by most metrics to be a 5-6pt per 100 possession defensive share... Are you sure you don't have a possible decimal pt error?

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Looking at Boswell's DBPM on evanmiya, it has him at -1.94ppp, 5th on Illinois. The -1.94ppp aligns well with the -1.9ppp I stated earlier. Maybe I'm missing something... But that all said, defensive efficiency is generally just glorified plus minus, so while it does have it's uses, it's still not all that reliable in comparing player to player on different teams.

Overall though, I am in agreement that Boswell was a plus defender this year on average for us
 
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