Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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UCLA and Louisville put all their eggs into the Blackwell basket.

They are in deep trouble now, exactly why Illinois pursued and closed on Vaaks and QC.
I am assuming Blackwell is going to Duke but why? Duke is returning Caleb Foster & Cayden Boozer, two top guards. In addition, they are bringing in one of the top high school guards this year in Deron Rippley. In fact Rippley is so good he won the Morgan Wootton award for top high school player in the country this year. I realize Duke wants depth but why would Blackwell want to go there? If Blackwell wants to play in the NBA he can only play as a point guard and Duke is already loaded at point guard for next year. Louisville seems his best landing spot.
 
#927      
ME TODAY: Yay! Superteam!
have you considered a super duper team. I know this is a new concept here.

super GIF
 
#928      
the transfers aren't as good overall, and the recruits aren't as high end compared to last year in terms of the elites.
The very-non-scientific 247 ratings concur:

Last year's 247 #3-10 transfers are rated the same as this year's #1-5. Last year's #22-34 are the same as this year's #8-10. This year's #23 is rated lower than last year's #50.

And last year's 247 #1-3 recruits are rated higher than all of this year's. Last year's #10-15 are the same as this year's #2-15. After that, though, things look more comparable.
 
#929      
The post just says lower his minutes. Davis counts. If Morillo counts this year Davis counts last year.

Davis proved he could be playable on the 25 team. Brown hasn’t proven that. Outside of Wagler - which will never happen again - who’s the last freshmen outside the top 100 to get real minutes here? We saw it with Lee, it ain’t easy (and quite the gamble to be counting on it).
Lower his minutes from 10? To what, 5? 7? We counting that as rotation? How do you know Morillo plays that little?
 
#930      
I dunno man... this Florida team is legitimately stacked.


Yup, just like they were coming into last season...

and Purdue...

and Houston...

etcetera

Way to early to be shouting out Super Teams, imo

Anyway aren't we talking about Todd Golden potentially being the Warriors coach now? If so, Florida gets their very own 30-day portal window

EDIT: Aberdeen isn't a done deal (needs 5th year eligibility) and our roster looks every bit as good as that one does tbh

EDIT 2: They only have like 6 playable guys? And that's if Aberdeen gets another year... they have no recruits coming in... so I'm going to have to ask why Florida looks 'legitimately stacked' unless they're just going to play their top 5 all 40 minutes every game
 
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Since it has been a few decades since I played on the hardwood, I have been wondering how much science has been advanced in shooting, especially from beyond the arc? There are certain parameters I know are paramount, such as the eyes trying to remain in a vertical cylinder, which in fact is seldom achieved due to constant movement except at the free throw line. Others would be placed of hands, placement of feet, angles of arm, height above the head, when to use the board, and a myriad of others. Yet, when playing as fast as the game is today, nothing can be done in an exact manner.

Anyone know how science has been used to study and improve shooting skills. Are there schools or instructors that focus on and get results?
 
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I am assuming Blackwell is going to Duke but why? Duke is returning Caleb Foster & Cayden Boozer, two top guards. In addition, they are bringing in one of the top high school guards this year in Deron Rippley. In fact Rippley is so good he won the Morgan Wootton award for top high school player in the country this year. I realize Duke wants depth but why would Blackwell want to go there? If Blackwell wants to play in the NBA he can only play as a point guard and Duke is already loaded at point guard for next year. Louisville seems his best landing spot.
Because he wants a chance to win championship...not happening at UCLA or Louisville.
 
#933      
Obviously it depends on the player.

There's so much circling around the point here, let's just say it out loud.

One or more of Stojakovic, Vaaks and Coleman would have bailed if we added Blackwell or a Blackwell-like player, all of the above wanting to be in a situation where they have the ball in their hands a lot.

Despite the above, we have NIL money available and a need at guard.

So we are going to wait out the portal (and NBA) deadlines so those players exit options reduce, and then go sign the player we need, who won't be a Blackwell-level player but doesn't need to be in order to fill out our national title contender.

This is smart and good and everybody's feelings will be just fine when the actual games get played and we're awesome.
And who knows, the player we get over the summer, likely from overseas, may turn to be quite good.
 
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Indy Illini Fan does Florida still have money to get Milan? If they get him, then the season is a wrap, and they will be like Michigan and just roll through everyone.
 
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If he was capable, then he would’ve seen the court. The 9th man usually sees the court.

2025 — Jake Davis; 9th man, appeared in 32 games, averaged 3 points per game in 9.5 minutes.

2024 — DGL; 9th man, appeared in 28 games, averaged 2.4 points in 7.1 minutes.

2023 — Luke Goode was the 9th man; 10 games, 13.8min, 4 points per game (his first game was in February since he was hurt in the offseason). When Skyy Clark was playing, we didn’t have Goode… and when Goode was playing we didn’t have Skyy… but we played 9 deep in each of those timeframes.

2022 — we literally played 11 deep. The 8th-11th guys were Goode / Bosmans / Payne / Melendez. All of them played over 7mpg and appeared in most games.

TLDR; if you’re the 9th man at Illinois, you’ll usually see the court. Won’t be gaudy numbers, but you’ll see the court. This past season was the outlier because the staff didn’t feel comfortable with either Lee or Petrovic.

As it currently stands, Ethan Brown is the guy in that spot, so hopefully he’s more reliable than Lee / Petrovic.
So basically Brown just needs to be as good as DGL was in 2024? That’s all for all the “9th man” talk?
 
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If he was capable, then he would’ve seen the court. The 9th man usually sees the court.

2025 — Jake Davis; 9th man, appeared in 32 games, averaged 3 points per game in 9.5 minutes.

2024 — DGL; 9th man, appeared in 28 games, averaged 2.4 points in 7.1 minutes.

2023 — Luke Goode was the 9th man; 10 games, 13.8min, 4 points per game (his first game was in February since he was hurt in the offseason). When Skyy Clark was playing, we didn’t have Goode… and when Goode was playing we didn’t have Skyy… but we played 9 deep in each of those timeframes.

2022 — we literally played 11 deep. The 8th-11th guys were Goode / Bosmans / Payne / Melendez. All of them played over 7mpg and appeared in most games.

TLDR; if you’re the 9th man at Illinois, you’ll usually see the court. Won’t be gaudy numbers, but you’ll see the court. This past season was the outlier because the staff didn’t feel comfortable with either Lee or Petrovic.

As it currently stands, Ethan Brown is the guy in that spot, so hopefully he’s more reliable than Lee / Petrovic.

Just totally disagree. So you’re saying Podz wasn’t “capable” to play his freshmen year?

It seems far more likely to me Podz was behind 2 5th year seniors who Brad felt extremely comfortable with (and who we won with). I find it hard to believe he went from not capable of playing at all, to first round nba pick in less than a year.

Brandon Lee was behind Kylan Boswell, Keaton Wagler, Andrej and Jake - I know some of you are committed to the Jake is only a forward thing, but he had minutes with Keaton, Andrej/ben, mirk/ben, and Ivisic, so call it whatever position you want, he was taking up valuable minutes because he was highly productive and efficient.

Denim Wojick played over 5 minutes a game at MSU - he averaged .5 points on 28% shooting, and poor defense. If he was “capable” of stepping on the court, Brandon Lee I think was, but just didn’t make sense to stretch out the rotation that far because the 4 guys I mentioned above had it down just fine
 
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Yup, just like they were coming into last season...

and Purdue...

and Houston...

etcetera

Way to early to be shouting out Super Teams, imo

Anyway aren't we talking about Todd Golden potentially being the Warriors coach now? If so, Florida gets their very own 30-day portal window

EDIT: Aberdeen isn't a done deal (needs 5th year eligibility) and our roster looks every bit as good as that one does tbh

EDIT 2: They only have like 6 playable guys? And that's if Aberdeen gets another year... they have no recruits coming in... so I'm going to have to ask why Florida looks 'legitimately stacked' unless they're just going to play their top 5 all 40 minutes every game
LoL. Alright, whatever. They're bringing back 87% of their minutes on a 1-seed that had an off night against Iowa.

I'm not going to bother arguing with you. You're dug in and never admit you could possibly be wrong.

I'll take Evan Miya saying they likely have the best roster in the country and that's before they potentially add any additional talent.

I'll just leave it at that.
 
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Because he wants a chance to win championship...not happening at UCLA or Louisville.
That's the paradox. If it was usage/PT, wouldn't he also cross off Duke? If it was to win a natty, wouldn't he have crossed off UCLA/UL instead of us? Maybe it was just $$ after all?

It's also been sounding more like the other guys we signed might have instead looked elsewhere if we had signed Blackwell, and we (rightfully so) chose to lock down what we could rather than risk losing out on more than just him. That was probably wise, but it also makes Blackwell out to be much less of a ball hog in this saga.
 
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So basically Brown just needs to be as good as DGL was in 2024? That’s all for all the “9th man” talk?
Probably yes, but it might not be as easy as it sounds.

Neither Lee or Petrovic could do it this year (get on the court as the 9th man).

DGL did in ‘24. Davis did in ‘25.
 
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I don't even remember where that narrative started because it's never even been remotely true

Rumors and sound bites become true even when there's a mountain of evidence against them. They just have to feel right to a few loud-mouthed people who like the spotlight. 🤷‍♂️
 
#943      
I am assuming Blackwell is going to Duke but why? Duke is returning Caleb Foster & Cayden Boozer, two top guards. In addition, they are bringing in one of the top high school guards this year in Deron Rippley. In fact Rippley is so good he won the Morgan Wootton award for top high school player in the country this year. I realize Duke wants depth but why would Blackwell want to go there? If Blackwell wants to play in the NBA he can only play as a point guard and Duke is already loaded at point guard for next year. Louisville seems his best landing spot.
Plus Sarr but he is wing/ G. Doubt if Evens returns. But it is crowded at guard…. someone aint getting the minutes and wont be happy.
 
#945      
I am assuming Blackwell is going to Duke but why? Duke is returning Caleb Foster & Cayden Boozer, two top guards. In addition, they are bringing in one of the top high school guards this year in Deron Rippley. In fact Rippley is so good he won the Morgan Wootton award for top high school player in the country this year. I realize Duke wants depth but why would Blackwell want to go there? If Blackwell wants to play in the NBA he can only play as a point guard and Duke is already loaded at point guard for next year. Louisville seems his best landing spot.
Duke consistently wins, has an unparalleled marketing machine, and pays top $$$. I hate them, but that is what they are. You can nitpick the 'usage' angle all you want, but it's not rocket science
 
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The very-non-scientific 247 ratings concur:

Last year's 247 #3-10 transfers are rated the same as this year's #1-5. Last year's #22-34 are the same as this year's #8-10. This year's #23 is rated lower than last year's #50.

And last year's 247 #1-3 recruits are rated higher than all of this year's. Last year's #10-15 are the same as this year's #2-15. After that, though, things look more comparable.

That's because our guys didn't transfer ;)
 
#947      
Louisville already has their backcourt solidified with Knox and Shelstad.

going to Duke…
The irony of Blackwell to Duke is they may still have Evans, Caleb Foster, Cayden Boozer and Dame Sarr all back at the 1-3 spots - all of whom will be wanting to improve their draft stock for next year - but Blackwell was afraid to come here because he wouldn't get enough usage? Blackwell might not even start on that team if Evans is back!
 
#948      
Since nobody EVER knows how good anyone will be in the upcoming season, every team makes assumptions, projected from what they know about the players and what they know about their plans for those players, and how they expect them to develop. Any transfer or new addition (whether they were a star last year or a role player) could regress, or not fit in, or worst become a locker room cancer or distraction. As a coach or program leader, if you don't see options that you believe clearly make your team better, then it's probably better to hold with what you have. There might also be uses for funds later in the summer. You could even argue that spending every possible dime for players that don't turn out great could hurt your chances for those donors' support next season.
A great deal of this depends on fit. Is there anyone that thinks Morez would have had the same success in UI as Mirk. His move to Michigan was a great success for him but also allowed Mirks success at UI. Would Wagler had the opportunity to succeed if Petro had been there all summer? Finding a great square peg for a round hole is a specialiity of this forum. Luckily we have coaches who have geometric sense. I am not worried about the guards but would like an athletic big in case of injury. JJ may suffice but Morillo is not that guy, looking for a defensive guard that can’t shoot completely changes the offense. Don’t think Lee would have transferred if he did. No reason to seek a transfer unless he is better than a current backup. Not many on this forum able to judge this,
 
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