Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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JKR
audie said:
Let's not forget two 1970 Parade All-Americans who didn't quite pan out at Illinois: Billy Morris and Kris Berymon. I watched them play for the Freshman team (yes, there used to be freshman games before the varsity games!) and thought they were going to be superstars.
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Put those two together with the two Nicks (Conner and Weatherspoon) and we'd have had a nice team. Unfortunately, they were better on the court than in the classroom.
 
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ManlyLibrarian
skyIdub said:
Did we move on from 1980’s recruiting already?

1984 Illinois Loyalty was 9 guys in a garage outside of Monticello arguing over Loren Tate articles and the latest issues of Hoop Scoop, Blue Chips, and Street and Smiths Basketball Yearbook…..while the wives and girlfriends had a Mary Kay party and made homemade cottage cheese from the neighbors cows milk.
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Can confirm.
 
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7 Year Illini
That's why I think the US Government has to be part of the solution. Unlimited immediate transfers are making every mid-major a relegation/developmental league. If the government codifies the rules by applying exemptions to inter-state commerce laws regarding "amateur" athletics, perhaps some of that can be eased. As long as student-athletes are operating as essentially independent contractors, nothing can change. The NCAA is powerless as it stands.
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Agree. The government should step in and prevent people from earning money. How dare basketball players share in the revenue! How dare they get to exercise freedom and get paid for their efforts! What do they think this system is? Capitalism?
 
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STL Illini
Emerson Bigguns said:
That's why I think the US Government has to be part of the solution. Unlimited immediate transfers are making every mid-major a relegation/developmental league. If the government codifies the rules by applying exemptions to inter-state commerce laws regarding "amateur" athletics, perhaps some of that can be eased. As long as student-athletes are operating as essentially independent contractors, nothing can change. The NCAA is powerless as it stands.
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Living in STL and a frequent listener to 101.1
Sports radio here. (Side note, Illinois’ own Carey Davis has an afternoon show and is still very pro Illinois in the heart of Miznoz country).
I’ve heard Missouri Senator Eric Schmitt interviewed a handful of times. He’s very active in DC in an attempt to have legislation passed to better college athletics.
Remains to be seen what the outcome might be, but he at least has a solid perspective.
(One that would align with the majority of opinions expressed in these threads)
Hoping that he can make headway because most of us would agree that at this rate, this is the beginning of the end of all we love about college athletics.
 
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hangdog
STL Illini said:
Living in STL and a frequent listener to 101.1
Sports radio here. (Side note, Illinois’ own Carey Davis has an afternoon show and is still very pro Illinois in the heart of Miznoz country).
I’ve heard Missouri Senator Eric Schmitt interviewed a handful of times. He’s very active in DC in an attempt to have legislation passed to better college athletics.
Remains to be seen what the outcome might be, but he at least has a solid perspective.
(One that would align with the majority of opinions expressed in these threads)
Hoping that he can make headway because most of us would agree that at this rate, this is the beginning of the end of all we love about college athletics.
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As an ILLINI fan, I can't help but think college basketball is finally headed in the right direction.
 
#262      
nmillini
Last year, Kentucky was said to have the most expensive roster. They started the year at #8.

I'm not sure what those numbers are with USC -- but I like their team preseason a lot more than I liked KY last season (doesn't necessarily guarentee they'll be any better).

KY's roster always had the feeling of overpaying for a bunch of role players as opposed to true difference makers.
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Why, exactly, is Brad more effective than Pope?
 
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pruman91
skyIdub said:
Did we move on from 1980’s recruiting already?

1984 Illinois Loyalty was 9 guys in a garage outside of Monticello arguing over Loren Tate articles and the latest issues of Hoop Scoop, Blue Chips, and Street and Smiths Basketball Yearbook…..while the wives and girlfriends had a Mary Kay party and made homemade cottage cheese from the neighbors cows milk.
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my favorite reading material was The Sporting News as I was downstate then................
 
#266      
bavanga3
Curbelo Fanboy said:
True. Certainly by his sophomore year Iggy passed him by.
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McBride won conference player of the year the year you're talking about, so.......
McBride was 31st in recruiting and Iguodala was 26th in his class. McBride started either as a freshman or sophomore, Iggy didn't make varsity until he was a junior. You can give Iggy his props without taking shots at our alumni. Quentin Coleman just went from mid 30s to mid 20s and we're raving about him. McBride was a damn good recruit and elite shooter.
 
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Illini in Italy
As an ILLINI fan, I can't help but think college basketball is finally headed in the right direction.
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And what direction would that be? Genuinely interested in your thoughts on this, can you elucidate further?
 
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Chez27
That's why I think the US Government has to be part of the solution. Unlimited immediate transfers are making every mid-major a relegation/developmental league. If the government codifies the rules by applying exemptions to inter-state commerce laws regarding "amateur" athletics, perhaps some of that can be eased. As long as student-athletes are operating as essentially independent contractors, nothing can change. The NCAA is powerless as it stands.
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I wouldn’t want the current version of the federal government trying to solve anything I care about (and most of the things I don’t care about).
 
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ChiefGritty
STL Illini said:
I’ve heard Missouri Senator Eric Schmitt interviewed a handful of times. He’s very active in DC in an attempt to have legislation passed to better college athletics.
Remains to be seen what the outcome might be, but he at least has a solid perspective.
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One thing to think about, unlike so many issues that are Democrat and Republican, what state you represent and what school or schools your constituents care about has a big effect on these things.

Schmitt probably agrees with Jerry Moran in Kansas and John Hoeven in North Dakota on just about everything in politics. But Mizzou's interests, KU and KSU's interests, and obscurer (but deeply cared about) programs like NDSU football and UND hockey have EXTREME divergences in what future for college athletics is best for them.

All of that said, I think the view of college athletics of the median US Senator is "that's a mess I don't want to touch with a ten foot pole and it pales in importance to other issues we need to deal with".

Nonetheless, I agree with the premise that congressional legislation is probably the only durable way out here, unless they can stand up a player's union but that's a whole other hornet's nest of legal problems.
 
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the juiceman cometh
The fix has always been there, right before our eyes. Categorize student athletes as employees, allow collective bargaining. That unlocks the ability to sign contracts with specific terms about pay and length. Imagine if a 4 year contract became the standard for prep recruits, with specific termination terms in the event of transfer (for example, monetary buyout of remainder of contract by player, unless transfer decision is mutual). You'd have a lot more stability in roster construction, which is what the fans want, and the players would have the protections of CBAs and a union.

Bad for the NCAA, probably negatively impacts coach compensation in the long run (probably no immediate effect), good for fans, good for players. I can live with that.
 
#272      
Calvin
the juiceman cometh said:
Nobody thinks it's literally equal. Just more equal.

While NIL hasn't made the talent distribution flat, it has made it flatt-er. UK's 2013 class signed 6 of the top 14 recruits, according to 247. Nobody is doing anything like that the NIL era.
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At the very top, sure. If you move down the food chain, it's easier than ever for schools with money to poach from the rest. How you define flatter I think depends on where you sit.
 
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MKE93
Great post and insight. It sometimes amazes me how kids with talent that Brad likes for his system get quickly overlooked by our posters in spite of decades of history...and one lower ranked kid that is a one and done lottery pick. Zens intrigues me for several reasons.
1. Positional size...and likely future growth.
2. State POY but lowly regarded factor here. (Where have I seen this before?)
3. Three level scorer.

So much depends on what he has between the ears and in his heart...and only he knows. But he is a potentia gem who is on the roster and awaiting to get "Fletched". Can't wait to see what he can do...especially with a sophomore jump.
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And he has four younger cousins named Knueppel!
 
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