Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Very nice landing spot for Ty. It's a good league and he should get some solid playing time. Hopefully, he remains healthy and in a league that doesn't have the same caliber of athletes as the Big 10, SEC, ACC, Big 12 or Big East.....he should be able to progress comfortably.

The fact that Boise is willing to take a shot on a great kid, who has just had some tough luck.....mark me down as a fan unless they play us.
 
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Wasn’t Marcus Liberty number one at some point?
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Very nice landing spot for Ty. It's a good league and he should get some solid playing time. Hopefully, he remains healthy and in a league that doesn't have the same caliber of athletes as the Big 10, SEC, ACC, Big 12 or Big East.....he should be able to progress comfortably.

The fact that Boise is willing to take a shot on a great kid, who has just had some tough luck.....mark me down as a fan unless they play us.
Boise State for a former top 100 recruit? Come on Ty, you can do better. Definitely a step down. Could have gone to a better Missouri Valley school then Boise State.
 
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He was highly rated but struggled on offense. Did not appear to have good 3 point shot. Defense was OK but not able to stop elite like Braden Smith, Jeremy Fears, Blackwell.

Dropping a level to get more playing time while working on his game seems like an intelligent move. James Madison was 18-15 middle of pack sun belt conference.
Didn't get enough quality playing time to see how good his offense could be....and how many guys were successful in stopping Smith, Fears and Blackwell? 🤔
 
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The classic "unions are bad for employees" trope that has literally no basis in fact. Statistical analysis after statistical analysis shows that unions have increased employee pay, benefits, and safety in every single industry and country in which they've been introduced, and conversely that when labor participation rates have suffered, so has employee compensation.

Contracts are negotiated documents, as are CBAs. You give up something to get something. Likely the price for allowing players to be locked into longer-term deals is a bigger share of revenue pie. NCAA basketball and football are the only two high-revenue sports leagues I am aware of where coaches make more than star players.



I have no idea how you come to this conclusion. Just look at player vs coach compensation in the NBA vs in college. Ayo, a fringe starter/6th man (very good one, but still) is about to get a long term deal making more annually than the highest paid coach in the entire league. If Wagler is picked #5 to the Atlanta Hawks, which is where a bunch of projections have him, he will make more than his head coach as a rookie.

At the same time, AJ Dybantsa is rumored to be the highest paid NCAA basketball player ever at $4.4 million in NIL, which is one half Bill Self's annual salary.

The union has helped players grab a way bigger slice of the NBA revenue pie than NCAA players could even dream of.
Sorry, but unions are great for employees when they need leverage they can't obtain as individuals. It's the definition. Dybantsa doesn't have that problem.

Coaches have had a free market since they were playing in peach baskets. Saying that an unproven freshman is only halfway to the top of the coaching income market after 4 years of an open market pretends that today is the ceiling or that those numbers haven't accelerated (also Cooper Flagg allegedly made 28M https://www.foxsports.com/stories/c...ooper-flagg-make-nil-during-his-one-year-duke).

Using real numbers. The NCAA grossed 1.4B in 2024. NBA gets 50% BRI, given the growth in roster costs we saw this year you really don't think spending won't exceed 700M? https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...financial-report-revenue-surplus/80733616007/
 
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Maybe catch him at JMU for a game. Back in the day he would be a solid contributor in year 2.
"Back in the day" also didn't include as good of results as we've seen recently.

Great thing is we have a bunch of dudes that we retained up the roster that we could see pretty decent leaps from.
 
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James Madison is an interesting choice. Good luck Brandon. For basketball, I'm surprised that he went as far down as the ASUN. I expected him to go to something akin to a Pac12/Atlantic10/Missouri Valley school. For academics, James Madison is a great choice.
Dunno, his next best offer was Miss St and then Duquesne out of highschool.. he gets the top 100 kid label because of 247 (99th) but was the 127th ranked composite player.

JMU dominates the sun belt, seems like a great pathway to put up numbers and be on a high-major roster next year...
 
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Dunno, his next best offer was Miss St and then Duquesne out of highschool.. he gets the top 100 kid label because of 247 (99th) but was the 127th ranked composite player.

JMU dominates the sun belt, seems like a great pathway to put up numbers and be on a high-major roster next year...
JMU didn't exactly dominate last year. They were 8th. They changed coaches 2 years ago, picking up the guy who was repeatedly winning THE Ohio Valley Conference (regular season) with Morehead State.
 
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Dunno, his next best offer was Miss St and then Duquesne out of highschool.. he gets the top 100 kid label because of 247 (99th) but was the 127th ranked composite player.

JMU dominates the sun belt, seems like a great pathway to put up numbers and be on a high-major roster next year...
💯 exactly. Ty, Boise is a heck of a program. I can't recall if they are moving to Big12 this season or whatever PAC10 is doing.
 
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Sorry, but unions are great for employees when they need leverage they can't obtain as individuals. It's the definition. Dybantsa doesn't have that problem.

Coaches have had a free market since they were playing in peach baskets. Saying that an unproven freshman is only halfway to the top of the coaching income market after 4 years of an open market pretends that today is the ceiling or that those numbers haven't accelerated (also Cooper Flagg allegedly made 28M https://www.foxsports.com/stories/c...ooper-flagg-make-nil-during-his-one-year-duke).

Using real numbers. The NCAA grossed 1.4B in 2024. NBA gets 50% BRI, given the growth in roster costs we saw this year you really don't think spending won't exceed 700M? https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...financial-report-revenue-surplus/80733616007/
That's not the relevant number. The NCAA doesn't collect all, or even most, of the revenue generated by college sports. To that number add in the approximately $3.6 billion generated by the Big 10, SEC, ACC, and Big 12 and now you're at $5 billion without touching the smaller conferences or revenue generated by individual schools (from things like ticket sales, sponsorships/naming rights, etc.) Do you think players are getting $2.5 billion a year in NIL?

Just look at the individual school level. We generated $148 million in revenue in 2023. Did we have a $74 million NIL budget? OSU generated $280 million in revenue. Did their players get $140 million in NIL? I mean, the next season, 2024 we were talking about a $20 million OSU football roster like it was a mind blowing idea. Let's say they also spent $5 million on basketball. That puts OSU's NIL outlay at about 9% of revenue.

 
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I think the Illini might regret letting Ty Rogers walk. He is not a great offensive player, but he is strong, rebounds well and plays defense which in every game you need a player who can play lock down defense which is something this team lacked in the losses this year when 1 stop in regulation time would have turned the game into a win instead of a loss in OT
 
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Sorry, but unions are great for employees when they need leverage they can't obtain as individuals. It's the definition. Dybantsa doesn't have that problem.

Coaches have had a free market since they were playing in peach baskets. Saying that an unproven freshman is only halfway to the top of the coaching income market after 4 years of an open market pretends that today is the ceiling or that those numbers haven't accelerated (also Cooper Flagg allegedly made 28M https://www.foxsports.com/stories/c...ooper-flagg-make-nil-during-his-one-year-duke).

Using real numbers. The NCAA grossed 1.4B in 2024. NBA gets 50% BRI, given the growth in roster costs we saw this year you really don't think spending won't exceed 700M? https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...financial-report-revenue-surplus/80733616007/
I agree with your point on unions, but the example is not apples to apples. You’d have to add the revenue of the conferences to the NCAAs numbers.

Unions make sense when labor is a commodity—like on a factory floor. When it is not, the worst workers get propped up and the best ones are held down with little incentive to excel.
 
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Since we’re in the recruiting doldrums, I saw this and immediately knew the thread to post it in. Trigger warning for those that just ate breakfast…..
 

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#346      
Any sort of pay restrictions will put us right back to an era where teams that can/will exploit rules and loopholes will and gain an advantage. There is no way to enforce it, and more importantly it never gets enforced evenly.

It's hard to start a union because the leadership/representation is rolling over every four years. It will just get drug out in court until those who want to form lose interest because it no longer pertains to them. And as you said, it is actually against their best interests.

ok - a union would clearly be FOR the best interests of the majority of college athletes. If they had a union in any time during the past 50 years, they would have been paid like they are now. The FAILURE TO HAVE A UNION led to tens of thousands of athletes being taken advantage of and not being paid.
 
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JMU didn't exactly dominate last year. They were 8th. They changed coaches 2 years ago, picking up the guy who was repeatedly winning THE Ohio Valley Conference (regular season) with Morehead State.
"Have been very successful". They had a 70+% win percentage in conference the 3 years prior
 
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