Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Second place is 1st loser
skyIdub said:
Lol, the world record is 3:43....so Ben is a 6'9" 230lb basketball player...not a track star....only 36 seconds off of a world record mile?

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It seems extremely unlikely, but a couple of things....

When running a mile that fast, 36 seconds is a LOT of time. It's kind of like a pitcher's fastball increasing. If a guy goes from 85 MPH to 94MPH, that's the difference between playing with Schaumburg Boomers and Chicago Cubs. A guy who increases his heat from 96/97MPH to 99/100MPH is the difference between a potentially really good closer to and unhittable one. Heck, the difference in a gold medal and 5th place in the 100 meters is what....0.7 seconds? When you get to an elite level in speed events, a little is a lot.

The other thing would be that if he does indeed have an elite level of endurance, the difference in the stride of someone 6'9" and a guy 5'10" is what....three feet? It's tugging 230 around vs 170 that makes it seem relatively unreasonable.
 
#955      
wc_illini
Second place is 1st loser said:
It seems extremely unlikely, but a couple of things....

When running a mile that fast, 36 seconds is a LOT of time. It's kind of like a pitcher's fastball increasing. If a guy goes from 85 MPH to 94MPH, that's the difference between playing with Schaumburg Boomers and Chicago Cubs. A guy who increases his heat from 96/97MPH to 99/100MPH is the difference between a potentially really good closer to and unhittable one. Heck, the difference in a gold medal and 5th place in the 100 meters is what....0.7 seconds? When you get to an elite level in speed events, a little is a lot.

The other thing would be that if he does indeed have an elite level of endurance, the difference in the stride of someone 6'9" and a guy 5'10" is what....three feet? It's tugging 230 around vs 170 that makes it seem relatively unreasonable.
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We absolutely need some insiders to settle this for us
 
#957      
grue2
the juiceman cometh said:
I mean, that "only 36 seconds" took the entire human race about 117 years to shave off from when 4:19 was the WR in 1882 to when the current WR was set in 1999.

As stated by others, 4:19 is very good, but there are high schoolers who can run that, so it's hardly impossible.
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A quick search shows that 4:10 is currently the minimum bar for 1mi in D1 track.

In my experience being the fastest mile runner just meant that I could play basketball badly for extended periods without getting winded. The (non-existant) sprint speed is what mattered.
 
#962      
Fly Illini Fly!
Second place is 1st loser said:
The team I can't figure out why their getting all the love is Michigan. They lost three 1st rounders from a frontcourt (including the conference POY) that was everything to them....and they get slotted in the top 5? Talk about question marks in being able to put the pieces back together.
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This. I really struggle to see who their 1A scorer is. McCoy is a phenomenal defender, but his scout is more D than O.

Maybe they'll just be unbelievable defensively again... but that's also hard to replace losing a generational frontcourt and 3 lotto picks.
 
#964      
Grandpa
Second place is 1st loser said:
It seems extremely unlikely, but a couple of things....

When running a mile that fast, 36 seconds is a LOT of time. It's kind of like a pitcher's fastball increasing. If a guy goes from 85 MPH to 94MPH, that's the difference between playing with Schaumburg Boomers and Chicago Cubs. A guy who increases his heat from 96/97MPH to 99/100MPH is the difference between a potentially really good closer to and unhittable one. Heck, the difference in a gold medal and 5th place in the 100 meters is what....0.7 seconds? When you get to an elite level in speed events, a little is a lot.

The other thing would be that if he does indeed have an elite level of endurance, the difference in the stride of someone 6'9" and a guy 5'10" is what....three feet? It's tugging 230 around vs 170 that makes it seem relatively unreasonable.
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How much of it is neck length? That doesn't help the stride at all. Makes you top heavy and slows you down. Important to remember.
 
#968      
ChiefGritty
fuggles said:
I'll wade into the Ben mile time. At 45 years old I was running 5:30s in training for a marathon. And I wasn't in athlete level shape. So I don't know what Ben ran, but 5:19 is not it. I'm sure it a good way under that time.
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This is what gets me though. You achieve this kind of performance through dedicated distance running training which is VERY different than basketball training.

Is Ben Humrichous' body capable of working towards a mile time like that? Seems very ambitious, but let's say maybe. But why on earth would he have been training that way to achieve it?

I'm Team Not Real.
 
#969      
zentrails
Fly Illini Fly! said:
Scheyer's like the perfect example of a coach who I'd love, love, love to see get fired at a blueblood... since there's a 0.1% chance they'll be as successful with the next guy lol.
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And it would be fun to watch Scheyer squirm at a lesser school who can't afford Duke quality players
 
#973      
Poe's Law
blackdog said:
Basketball is a high intensity endurance sport. At this level they have to be able to sprint for several minutes if the game goes a long time between whistles. It doesn't seem surprising at all that a high level basketball athlete would make a damn good mile runner.
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DJ Richardson set the team record in the Self days as a freshman and I don’t think he broke 5:00.

There’s a lot of room between damn good mile runner and 4:19 at 230 lbs.
 
#974      
PasadenaIllini
HailtotheChief said:
I think Bens athleticism is very underated. He showed it at times with surpising tip dunks and ability to move for a man his size. Ben was strong and is quite an athlete. Now those traits may not be super explosive but still. His endurace, stamina was awesome and he is pretty fast. He set a team record in the mile at 4 min 18 seconds i recall and if you can do that you are certainly showing some at nlwtic traits in doing so.
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Fair enough. Ben made some bigtime plays this past season, particularly on D.I just felt like Zens showed more lateral quickness and had faster bounce off the floor if that makes any sense.
 
#975      
3nDGuy
Poe's Law said:
DJ Richardson set the team record in the Self days as a freshman and I don’t think he broke 5:00.

There’s a lot of room between damn good mile runner and 4:19 at 230 lbs.
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You’re about 10 years off on your timeline (Groce was the DJ’s coach)
As someone who ran a 5:27 mile (humble brag) 15ish years ago at 5’11” / ~180#, I’d be shocked if DJ set a team record at 6’3” / ~175# (guessing) and didn’t break 5.
 
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