Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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A couple thoughts:

1. Yes, we tend to overrate our depth in the offseason. That didn't just start 3 years ago, it's likely been happening since the invention of message boards themselves.

2. This isn't just an Illinois thing. Go read an Indiana board. They think they're the deepest team in the country this year. They're preseason #27 in

Yup. Every year. And every fan base does it. I don’t get the fascination.
 
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Jayden Epps really screwed up by spending 2 seasons at Georgetown...he could have joined the "5 teams in 5 years Club" with AJ Storr!
 
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I'm not sure about fascination. I see it as rabid optimism. It's also seen in greatly overrating our talent, especially freshmen.

Hope springs eternal.
Honestly, who’s been greatly overrated this offseason?

— We’re a projected top 5 team by every metric.

— Mirk is a projected 1st Team All American by Vegas. He’s 4th in player of the year odds.

— Vaaks, Andrej, and Tomi are projected top 100 players in college basketball.

— The only freshman in the projected starting lineup is a consensus 5 star, top 15 recruit who was possibly the best player on Team USA this summer and all we need is from him is to be our 5th(?) best player.

— So if by “overrating our freshman”, you mean, we hope one of our freshman can come off the bench as our *9th* man and provide 5-10 minutes and 1-2 points each game, then yes, we’re overrating our freshman.

Half the time, I see more belief in this team by national media than I do on this board.
 
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I'm not sure about fascination. I see it as rabid optimism. It's also seen in greatly overrating our talent, especially freshmen.

Hope springs eternal.
Guys -- there's been WAY, WAY more posts expressing concern about our depth rather than optimism.

The post that started this conversation is LITERALLY the first of that kind, in the entire offseason. (I'm honestly not ruling it out from being a troll comment, because they probably knew everyone is so ready to oppose the "deepest team ever" argument at all times)
 
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The only posts that actually mean anything are the ones from insiders on the freshmen, and those have been few and far between.
 
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he was HS class of 2022 so would meet criteria if he had not already signed his NBA contract. that being said, it seems it wouldn’t be outside the realm of possibility that he could argue he didn’t have the NCAA option available to him at the time he signed the contract..
Seems like just about every eligibility case is winnable at this point.
 
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Honestly, who’s been greatly overrated this offseason?

— We’re a projected top 5 team by every metric.

— Mirk is a projected 1st Team All American by Vegas. He’s 4th in player of the year odds.

— Vaaks, Andrej, and Tomi are projected top 100 players in college basketball.

— The only freshman in the projected starting lineup is a consensus 5 star, top 15 recruit who was possibly the best player on Team USA this summer and all we need is from him is to be our 5th(?) best player.

— So if by “overrating our freshman”, you mean, we hope one of our freshman can come off the bench as our *9th* man and provide 5-10 minutes and 1-2 points each game, then yes, we’re overrating our freshman.

Half the time, I see more belief in this team by national media than I do on this board.
Yeah, this year actually reality finally is as good as expectations. Most years that isn't the case.
 
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Honestly, who’s been greatly overrated this offseason?

— We’re a projected top 5 team by every metric.

— Mirk is a projected 1st Team All American by Vegas. He’s 4th in player of the year odds.

— Vaaks, Andrej, and Tomi are projected top 100 players in college basketball.

— The only freshman in the projected starting lineup is a consensus 5 star, top 15 recruit who was possibly the best player on Team USA this summer and all we need is from him is to be our 5th(?) best player.

— So if by “overrating our freshman”, you mean, we hope one of our freshman can come off the bench as our *9th* man and provide 5-10 minutes and 1-2 points each game, then yes, we’re overrating our freshman.

Half the time, I see more belief in this team by national media than I do on this board.
The lack of title syndrome leads to massive pessimism. This won’t change until we cut the final nets down in early April some fortunate year (if ever).
 
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Not liking how Tech is looking if this injunction stuff stands. Will be a fun game for us
 
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Yeah, this year actually reality finally is as good as expectations. Most years that isn't the case.

It’s funny how different everyone’s memories are of things like this, I suppose.

Last year we moped over Morez transferring, losing out on Dix/Conwell/Cluade/Jackson/etcetera.

Season before we were doomed all summer after losing out on Storr and the assistant coaching change that led to 5 players (who everyone loved) transferring out.

Then the year before that was the RayJ Dennis summer which needs no further commentary.

Those 3 seasons all ended in tournament appearances, with an Elite 8 and a Final 4.

As far as reality being in line with expectations, I think someone had a graphic that we’ve been finishing above our preseason ranking pretty regularly.
 
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It’s funny how different everyone’s memories are of things like this, I suppose.

Last year we moped over Morez transferring, losing out on Dix/Conwell/Cluade/Jackson/etcetera.

Season before we were doomed all summer after losing out on Storr and the assistant coaching change that led to 5 players (who everyone loved) transferring out.

Then the year before that was the RayJ Dennis summer which needs no further commentary.

Those 3 seasons all ended in tournament appearances, with an Elite 8 and a Final 4.

As far as reality being in line with expectations, I think someone had a graphic that we’ve been finishing above our preseason ranking pretty regularly.
We were talking about player evaluations.
 
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Right, me too. I listed a bunch of players that the board evaluated during the past 3 offseasons.

Seems like we might not be very good at it. 😁

I agree.

With Domask and Keaton Wagler alone, I don’t think literally a single person overvalued them.

If anything most “undervaluations” we’ve had probably just stems from others vastly overachieving and taking usage from those we had “higher” individual expectations on
 
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Last year we moped over Morez transferring, losing out on Dix/Conwell/Cluade/Jackson/etcetera.
Don't think we were heavily involved with any of the final 3. It was Dix / Sarr / Sellers who we missed on, but then proceeded to land Petro / Mirk / Stoj.
Season before we were doomed all summer after losing out on Storr and the assistant coaching change that led to 5 players (who everyone loved) transferring out.
That was Storr / Egor Demin / even David Jones.
 
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