He has been very consistent and does what is asked of him and all those good things but he is still a freshman who is continuing to develop and learn what college basketball is like. He is also a little bit undersized and has Coleman, Quincy and Dain ahead of him.
Pregame: Illinois vs Missouri, Friday, December 22nd, 8:00pm CT, FS1
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lstewart53x3
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That’s because NET is only looking at the results of games this year. Whereas last year’s games are still included in KenPom’s rating.
That surprises me a bit. He's played pretty well for a freshman big thus far. My gut feel is we're going to need him to soak up minutes in games our bigs get into foul trouble. A little surprised there's no plan in place to try getting him 2-4 minutes a game just to give him some game action and make sure he's ready when we need him. What you're saying makes sense considering he didn't see the floor against Colgate when we were up 20, but it still seems odd to me considering both the small sample eye test and the metrics have been relatively positive for him in the time he's played.Nothing that I’ve been made aware of … But the staff mainly just talks to me about the guys that are a part of the game plan …
Amani won’t see much tick this year …
But can he guard a pick n roll?
This can't be completely true though. NET has to start with some type of "pre season" rankings to go off of. What do they use?
The video cuts out before Battle puts down the trophy and says “This mother f#%€%’s heavy!” True story.
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
NET doesn’t have a preseason rating. Their rating system doesn’t begin until a few weeks into the season.
At some point in that game (I think) Battle got open on a BLOB and the crowd mic picked up his distinctive voice yelling “Steve! Steve! C’mon, Steve! Daaaaaamn Steve!” when Bardo failed to get him the ball.The video cuts out before Battle puts down the trophy and says “This mother f#%€%’s heavy!” True story.
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My conclusion as well, at around January 22/23 it'll all be factored out.
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Which kinda breaks the system a bit because what's a good win to start if everyone is at 0? I'm just a bit perplexed by it, guess neither NET or Kenpom is relevant til February really. Seems to really inflate early early season results.
I don't think I worded my question right. Since the NET rankings adjust results according to opponent strength, there has to be some preconceived AKA "preseason" ratings in the database (even if NET rankings aren't released to the public). There has to be something telling the computer that a 10 pt win over Purdue is better than a 10 pt win over WIU.
RichardKeenesCousin
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Remember when the Cheif got tripped by a Missouri kid? I'm still mad about it.
This isn't necessarily true. RPI for instance just looks at a teams win percentage, average opponents winning percentage, and their opponents winning percentage. Basically, if you win against teams who win against teams who also win, you'll be ranked very highly. But if you win against teams who win against teams who lose, you will be ranked lower.
NET says they take into account "game results, strength of schedule, game location, scoring margin, net offensive and defensive efficiency, and the quality of wins and losses," so they add additional layers of analytics to RPI.
For an example of how RPI works, lets take the lowest ranked "good team (I used 3 losses as a cutoff)" in the NET rankings, Quinnipiac, currently 7-3, ranked at 217. They have wins over Coast Guard (not included in NET rankings, Division 3, 6-8), Central Connecticut (3-6), West Point (1-9), Albany (5-5), Stonehill (1-11), Niagra (2-6), Navy (2-6), Holy Cross (2-9), with losses to UMass (5-4), Canisius (5-5), Yale (5-5). So they beat a lot of bad teams, lost to mediocre teams (in terms of W/L). RPI would then take into account the winning percentage of every opponent these teams played before spitting out a ranking. So you don't need any data going into the season, it build its dataset during the season. It takes a few weeks because you need enough common opponents for the data to work/make any sense.
Disclaimer: Not a statistician at all (but I do basic stats as part of my job), so anyone please correct me if I'm wrong about anything.
What is it about this game that sometimes the Illini just don’t look like they take it seriously? Illini Nation sure does. And so do our ‘neighbors’ from across the River.
The arena atmosphere is almost always electric. Coach is probably doing his best to motivate his guys. And yet...
Maybe Coach can tell them that it’s not really Mizzou in those Mizzou uniforms but it’s really Purdue or Michigan. Or Kansas. Maybe that will do it?
The arena atmosphere is almost always electric. Coach is probably doing his best to motivate his guys. And yet...
Maybe Coach can tell them that it’s not really Mizzou in those Mizzou uniforms but it’s really Purdue or Michigan. Or Kansas. Maybe that will do it?
lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
You very well could be right. But from what I understand is the reason why the NET ratings don’t populate until a few weeks into the season is because they’re gathering just this season’s data.
Which is why you have a team like Indiana St. who’s 53 in KenPom, yet 18 in NET.
Over the course of the season, NET will get more accurate.
Here’s what NET is based on:
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BillyBob1
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Tripped? I believe tackled is more appropriate. I also remember the cheerleaders returned the favor to the Miznoz fan.
Dee, in his 3 games against Missouri had 18, 17 and 11 points. Wouldn't call those huge. 2003 was his best game. 18/6/6
NET does not include a prior. It adjusts for opposition by comparing how your opponents fared against their opponents, and how their opponents fared against their opponents, etc..., most likely by least squares regression.
The talent they have for putting the ball in the net from beyond the arc is pretty elite. When you add the advantage in quickness and hustle they have displayed over recent years, the game will likely be a barnburner.
This annual game seems to mean more to Mizzou and they always feel like a disrespected underdog. Illini will have to move their energy and focus up a notch or two to win this game.
It should be entertaining, but most of all, I want to see the Illini continue to climb the ladder of competence and teamwork....which to date has been enjoyable.
I may be thinking of the 2005 game. Maybe Dee was just celebrating the big win
And Whitman will be there
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