Iowa 96, Illinois 87 POSTGAME

#126      
I’ve said it before and LB strikes me as the one who could and should move on. He’s a high level talent who could start, or most certainly get starter tick for most of the top programs who have a legitimate shot at making a deep run.

If I were in his shoes it would be very hard for me to stick unless we do land some front court help and have a real shot at dancing.

He’s got ONE year left, has to maximize his post college playing chances and likely wants to play in a damn tournament game. Malcolm Hill anyone?


I don't see this happening. Leron looked like a totally different level of player this year. That didn't happen in a vacuum. It happened with this staff (Coach O) and a system that started to fully exploit Leron's abilities. Leron's ability to make money in the game isn't going to be tied to making the NCAA his senior year, it's going to be showing his skillset. He's already in a premier high-major conference at a basketball school with a widely regarded staff and head coach. He's guaranteed to start and knows that Coach's system will continue to take advantage of his skills. Why roll the dice to go to some other program and take the risk?
 
#127      

Whitmans Sampler

Eastern Iowa
This may be Tyler Cook’s last season in Iowa City. Rumors ‘round here is that – wait for it – Cuonzo really wants him at Mizzou and the interest is mutual. Cook is from St. Louis too and could just be sick of Fran.
 
#128      
Garza is a horse. He works his tail off. Of course, it helps when you can climb all over the opposing teams back & not get called for foul. Love to have a player like him.

Should have fouled out. They let him crawl over everyone. That and letting Bohannan use his off arm to push off is ridiculous. I know I have a prejudiced view but it seems like the refs are saying they aren't going to allow pressure defense in BIG.
 
#129      

wILL-INI

Charlotte, NC
This may be Tyler Cook’s last season in Iowa City. Rumors ‘round here is that – wait for it – Cuonzo really wants him at Mizzou and the interest is mutual. Cook is from St. Louis too and could just be sick of Fran.

Rather play him once in Braggin Rights, than twice at Iowa...
 
#131      
The disparity in fouls is because we cannot defend the post with our tools. Any team that can use an inside game will be nightmare matchups for this team until we get more depth and quality at this position. If Black could play the role of Kenny Battle or a Ken Norman this team could be alright next year. If we don’t get serviceable bigs to compliment Ebo we will really struggle again.

:thumb:
 
#132      

wILL-INI

Charlotte, NC
He’s a sophomore now, so would sit a year and then have 2 years left at Mizzou. Could maybe go pro after one.

At most were looking at twice v Mizzou, and in two years after all the porters have left. Ill take that.

At Iowa, 2 more years. 2x in reg season and throw in 1 more for good measure for the BTT = 5.

What do i gotta do to help our CMart here? Do some fire editz. Maybe a jersey swap or two?
 
#133      
I don't understand why a kid as good as Cook would want to sit out a year.
 
#134      
200 pts. in 2 games. Horrendous defense! And I think Il got jobbed some on a few calls, but lot of calls were fouls. Iowa. played bad defense too, but played bad defense without fouling near as much.
Some posters said Iowa shot well. That's happens when your defense can't defend. Can't just hope they miss. The field goal percentages against IL. this year were the highest I've seen.
I'll tell you how to get better on defense. Play a lot of one on one in the off season, against players of all sizes. Forces you to move your feet, block out, if you go at it hard. Also, helps ball handling and development of individual moves. Toughens you up.
 
#136      
This may be Tyler Cook’s last season in Iowa City. Rumors ‘round here is that – wait for it – Cuonzo really wants him at Mizzou and the interest is mutual. Cook is from St. Louis too and could just be sick of Fran.

So, Cuonzo would not only have all the Illinois fans p*ssed at him, he would have all the Iowa fans p*ssed at him.
 
#137      
I posted when the season started that regardless, only one thing absolutely must happen to make it worthwhile for us fans. We must beat Mizzou in the Braggin' Rights game. We kicked their a$$. That's all we got, but it's enough.
 
#138      
200 pts. in 2 games. Horrendous defense! And I think Il got jobbed some on a few calls, but lot of calls were fouls. Iowa. played bad defense too, but played bad defense without fouling near as much.
Some posters said Iowa shot well. That's happens when your defense can't defend. Can't just hope they miss. The field goal percentages against IL. this year were the highest I've seen.
I'll tell you how to get better on defense. Play a lot of one on one in the off season, against players of all sizes. Forces you to move your feet, block out, if you go at it hard. Also, helps ball handling and development of individual moves. Toughens you up.

Defending without fouling is a coaching thing.
 
#140      
He’s a sophomore now, so would sit a year and then have 2 years left at Mizzou. Could maybe go pro after one.

Including this year & adding the next 2 covers the average coaching duration for C.M. ;) Am not sure I would risk hanging out for a year as a transfer based on that.
 
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Should have fouled out. They let him crawl over everyone. That and letting Bohannan use his off arm to push off is ridiculous. I know I have a prejudiced view but it seems like the refs are saying they aren't going to allow pressure defense in BIG.

agree on Bohannan - one bump by our guys its a foul, yet he could push off and use the off hand constantly to gain advantage.
 
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If the second guy ran the baseline, I am pretty sure it is traveling.

Unless rule was changed, when you pass to another player out of bounds, which is legal, you give it the right to run the baseline.

It was after a made basket as I recall and I think after a timeout (which doesn't matter). What does matter is that if you see Bohannon taking the ball out in a fouling situation, you know they are running that scheme and should jump the second pass. Alas, it was Ebo guarding Bohannon and I would not expect him to pick up that nuance yet at his BBall maturity level. Its legal to throw to another player out of bounds but the 5 secs is still running.

If you take the ball out after a turnover, you don't have the ability to change the position of the throwin by throwing to another out of bounds player and with any movement outside the 3 ft spot of throwing the call is actually a spot violation and not traveling.
 
#144      
Defending without fouling is a coaching thing.

I mean, sort of. There's a long list of things that have led to Illinois getting called for so many fouls this year, including a lack of athleticism, a lack of talent, a lack of experience, and a lack of whatever the opposite of the 'halo effect' MSU enjoys that allows them to go in with helmets and shoulder pads and not get called for any fouls is.

I think that the biggest thing, though, is that you can basically make an unlimited amount of contact off the ball if you're inside the arc and B1G refs will ignore it. You can contest a shot inside the arc and make contact and if you're the more athletic player, B1G refs will ignore it. But if you lay a finger on the ballhandler outside of the arc, you will be called for a foul.

That makes life really difficult for Illinois, as they play 94-foot D and rely on spreading the floor and moving players on offense. And it is certainly related to coaching that Illinois has made these stylistic choices. Most teams avoid foul trouble by simply not playing defense in areas where you can be called for a foul, and we don't follow that script.

Maybe Underwood shouldn't run a pressure defense. But I will tell you this: if you can't get a fair shake from the refs unless you run a pack-line defense, college basketball will be really, really boring, and is really, really broken.

Hopefully the B1G refs will become accustomed to the pace and style of play that we employ, but maybe they won't. I just hope that Underwood continues on with it, because basketball could use the breath of fresh air.
 
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Defending without fouling is a coaching thing.

if by that you mean he should have sat LB all season, then yes. As I remember, during one time out he told LB not to foul - he did his part.

If the guy runs out to the 3 pt line to belly up a big who has only shot two 3 pointers all season, well, then, that's the players fault.
 
#146      
we didnt match up well with Mich. Iowa is a very good team when they shoot well...and they did today.
Sorry, but Iowa is not a very good team. They won 4 Big Ten games. I don't care if they shot well or not, losing to them is a failure and shows just how bad this Illini team is. Unfortunately, I can't imagine they would have a worse record under Groce.
 
#147      
Two things that would really help next year. Black figures out how to play aggressive without unnecessary fouls. Kipper gets some of Blacks fire in the belly. I can't imagine how tough Kipper would be if someone really made him mad. He has a very passive persona even in the interviews I have seen. Light a fire under him and he would be amazing. I think that was what BU was trying to do early in the season when Kipper did not play much.

(I wouldn't say they were terrible. They had a terrible record)

For real. That boy plays way too soft. He's too good to play soft.
 
#148      
It was only two plays but 2 offensive rebounds for Iowa on missed FTs was killer. That just can't happen
The one where Jordan "missed" the block out and Iowa rebounded and then kicked it out to Bohannon for a three was clearly a missed call by the officials. The guy Jordan was blocking out grabbed him by the upper arm and yanked him backwards to get the inside position. That goes along with the apparent one-sidedness of the officiating. No excuse to miss that call.
 
#149      

Oldtoysrock

Sarasota, Florida
Was watching two sporting events, with illni game muted second half. What was Nderwood's T for? Culmination or a specific call? Thx



He commented in one of the post game interviews that it wasn’t against any ref’s or call in particular but something he had planned to try to fire the team up. After all, he said he hadn’t had a technical all season and it did work for a minute or two. Then he kind of smirked. I get the feeling he’s glad the season is over so they can regroup.


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#150      
Well we set 2 school records--most personal fouls and worst defensive 2 pt. shooting %.
Conference opponents hit a mind boggling 59.6 % from 2 pt.

Those are bad records, no doubt. I agree that the defense has major holes. However, I'll play devils advocate.

#7 in the country in turnovers forced, #1 in Big10
#1 in Big10 in steals
#1 in Big10 in opponent turnovers per possession, 22.7%. That's the best of any Big10 team in the past 8 seasons.
#21 in the country in opponent assist to turnover ratio
#38 in the country in offensive rebounding pg, which in all fairness is impressive considering our size problem

Yes, lots of problems to address and I get why people don't like the product. You have to give credit where credits due though. Underwood has established a defensive identity in year 1.