January Bowl Games

#51      
North Bethesda, Maryland
Lawrence and the offense are not playing great, but this game is being lost by a defense that looks slow and lost...Venables and Dabo being completely out coached
 
#55      
That would be incorrect as the helmet went to the side and the contact was led with neck and shoulder. Poor call
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Note crown of helmet firmly implanted in Justin Fields' back.
 
#60      
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Note crown of helmet firmly implanted in Justin Fields' back.
So.we don't take into consideration that Fields twisted back the other way and caused the hit? Also, somebody said on a earlier post that Fields was ckearly down, we all can see he wasn't.

The rule must be tweaked so it is fair to the defense. Right now it is subjective to the referees. Peters gets a concussion in last years Iowa game and it wasn't called. Other times it's called and you scratch your head. Consistency is the answer. Only shots to the head are targeting calls . If it isn't, they will have to start wearing flags.
 
#61      
I am not saying he didn't get him with the helmet and I'm not saying a penalty wasn't justified. Football is a fast game. I don't think the Clemson player meant to spear him, and he definitely didn't target the head, face or neck. Every year the rules makers try to take the hard-hitting out of football a little more. In my opinion the hard-hitting is what makes football, football. In the old days that would have been a 15 yard penalty for spearing, but no ejection. Let's go back to that. (Except of course for head shots, which should be an ejection).
Also like a previous poster said, if that hadn't been the QB and he hadn't been injured, the play wouldn't have even been reviewed in the first place.
 
#63      
and he definitely didn't target the head, face or neck. Every year the rules makers try to take the hard-hitting out of football a little more. In my opinion the hard-hitting is what makes football, football. In the old days that would have been a 15 yard penalty for spearing, but no ejection. Let's go back to that. (Except of course for head shots, which should be an ejection).
Also like a previous poster said, if that hadn't been the QB and he hadn't been injured, the play wouldn't have even been reviewed in the first place.
Targeting the head, face or neck is a different form of targeting against defenseless players. They are trying to reduce injuries. I saw a lot of hard hitting out there today in this game and by Northwestern. There are a lot of penalties which don't get called every game. It was still clearly targeting.
 
#64      
Targeting the head, face or neck is a different form of targeting against defenseless players. They are trying to reduce injuries. I saw a lot of hard hitting out there today in this game and by Northwestern. There are a lot of penalties which don't get called every game. It was still clearly targeting.
Well in my opinion they need to change the rule.
 
#67      
So.we don't take into consideration that Fields twisted back the other way and caused the hit? Also, somebody said on a earlier post that Fields was ckearly down, we all can see he wasn't.

The rule must be tweaked so it is fair to the defense. Right now it is subjective to the referees. Peters gets a concussion in last years Iowa game and it wasn't called. Other times it's called and you scratch your head. Consistency is the answer. Only shots to the head are targeting calls . If it isn't, they will have to start wearing flags.
If you look at the replay - yes, Fields twisted, but pretty much just twisted in the same spot exposing his back. It wasn't really a spin move to get to another spot, rather a running-QB type move where they try to shield themselves from impact instinctively - but not a wise move.

This was definitely a spear type tackle - if you get to the side of the player, you are ok, if you hit them straight on - you're going to get a penalty for spearing/targeting. The rule is there to protect both players and all players should be taught to keep their head up and arm tackle through players. Unfortunately, everyone wants to blow everyone up and it's a risk to players. Heck, we've even seen guys get hit by friendly fire by these types of tackles.

The game would be better if defenders focused on arm tackling and running through players vs trying to bump someone off their feet. The oft-resulting hurdles look nice for replays and the offense - but the defense looks pretty sad.
 
#68      
If you look at the replay - yes, Fields twisted, but pretty much just twisted in the same spot exposing his back. It wasn't really a spin move to get to another spot
Agree to disagree on this point, which does seem like the critical factual question here.

To me the defender had his head to the side and was leading with the shoulder and Fields juked right into him.
 
#69      
It seems a lot of people are missing the major point of this particular call. The LB put himself in the most dangerous position by lowering his head. It doesnt matter what Fields did. If the LB had his head up like he is supposed to, that's a highlight hit. Instead he almost paralyzed himself
 
#72      
So.we don't take into consideration that Fields twisted back the other way and caused the hit? Also, somebody said on a earlier post that Fields was ckearly down, we all can see he wasn't.

The rule must be tweaked so it is fair to the defense. Right now it is subjective to the referees. Peters gets a concussion in last years Iowa game and it wasn't called. Other times it's called and you scratch your head. Consistency is the answer. Only shots to the head are targeting calls . If it isn't, they will have to start wearing flags.
My lord every vantage point shows he led with his helmet
 
#73      
Agree to disagree on this point, which does seem like the critical factual question here.

To me the defender had his head to the side and was leading with the shoulder and Fields juked right into him.
That is how I saw it as the defender lead with the shoulder but Fields moved. The rule needs to be tweaked as too many times, targeting was called when the offensive player moved a certain way to make it look like targeting