I dont understand why Clemson is not blitzing. Edit, about time. Should have been blitzing all nightLawrence and the offense are not playing great, but this game is being lost by a defense that looks slow and lost...Venables and Dabo being completely out coached
That would be incorrect as the helmet went to the side and the contact was led with neck and shoulder. Poor call
That was a clear targeting call.View attachment 6992
Note crown of helmet firmly implanted in Justin Fields' back.
I agree. They are getting closer and closer to playing 2 hand touch.Fields rolled onto the Clemson guy's head. That's never targeting in a million years if it's not the QB and he doesn't go down hurt.
Yeah, 2 hand touch.I agree. They are getting closer and closer to playing 2 hand touch.
So.we don't take into consideration that Fields twisted back the other way and caused the hit? Also, somebody said on a earlier post that Fields was ckearly down, we all can see he wasn't.View attachment 6992
Note crown of helmet firmly implanted in Justin Fields' back.
I am not saying he didn't get him with the helmet and I'm not saying a penalty wasn't justified. Football is a fast game. I don't think the Clemson player meant to spear him, and he definitely didn't target the head, face or neck. Every year the rules makers try to take the hard-hitting out of football a little more. In my opinion the hard-hitting is what makes football, football. In the old days that would have been a 15 yard penalty for spearing, but no ejection. Let's go back to that. (Except of course for head shots, which should be an ejection).Yeah, 2 hand touch.
No, that doesn't matter. This rule has been around for how long now? They don't want players tackling by leading with the crown of the helmet because making forcible contact with the crown is dangerous to both players.So.we don't take into consideration that Fields twisted back the other way and caused the hit?
Targeting the head, face or neck is a different form of targeting against defenseless players. They are trying to reduce injuries. I saw a lot of hard hitting out there today in this game and by Northwestern. There are a lot of penalties which don't get called every game. It was still clearly targeting.and he definitely didn't target the head, face or neck. Every year the rules makers try to take the hard-hitting out of football a little more. In my opinion the hard-hitting is what makes football, football. In the old days that would have been a 15 yard penalty for spearing, but no ejection. Let's go back to that. (Except of course for head shots, which should be an ejection).
Also like a previous poster said, if that hadn't been the QB and he hadn't been injured, the play wouldn't have even been reviewed in the first place.
Well in my opinion they need to change the rule.Targeting the head, face or neck is a different form of targeting against defenseless players. They are trying to reduce injuries. I saw a lot of hard hitting out there today in this game and by Northwestern. There are a lot of penalties which don't get called every game. It was still clearly targeting.
If you look at the replay - yes, Fields twisted, but pretty much just twisted in the same spot exposing his back. It wasn't really a spin move to get to another spot, rather a running-QB type move where they try to shield themselves from impact instinctively - but not a wise move.So.we don't take into consideration that Fields twisted back the other way and caused the hit? Also, somebody said on a earlier post that Fields was ckearly down, we all can see he wasn't.
The rule must be tweaked so it is fair to the defense. Right now it is subjective to the referees. Peters gets a concussion in last years Iowa game and it wasn't called. Other times it's called and you scratch your head. Consistency is the answer. Only shots to the head are targeting calls . If it isn't, they will have to start wearing flags.
Agree to disagree on this point, which does seem like the critical factual question here.If you look at the replay - yes, Fields twisted, but pretty much just twisted in the same spot exposing his back. It wasn't really a spin move to get to another spot
yea , the real money is made selling beers & hot dogsI went to an sec game this season. No masks required at the seats because you are eating and drinking the whole time.
Weird that people wouldn't pay attention to Illinois and actual stats, but the graphic says all losses were by 14 or more points... Illinois lost by less than 2 touchdowns to LSU in the Sugar Bowl. EDIT: I now see they were highlighting that all of Notre Dame's losses were by at least 14. Carry on!
My lord every vantage point shows he led with his helmetSo.we don't take into consideration that Fields twisted back the other way and caused the hit? Also, somebody said on a earlier post that Fields was ckearly down, we all can see he wasn't.
The rule must be tweaked so it is fair to the defense. Right now it is subjective to the referees. Peters gets a concussion in last years Iowa game and it wasn't called. Other times it's called and you scratch your head. Consistency is the answer. Only shots to the head are targeting calls . If it isn't, they will have to start wearing flags.
That is how I saw it as the defender lead with the shoulder but Fields moved. The rule needs to be tweaked as too many times, targeting was called when the offensive player moved a certain way to make it look like targetingAgree to disagree on this point, which does seem like the critical factual question here.
To me the defender had his head to the side and was leading with the shoulder and Fields juked right into him.
The first part to hit fields was the shoulder, the helmet hit after Fields moved into itMy lord every vantage point shows he led with his helmet
Huh?The first part to hit fields was the shoulder, the helmet hit after Fields moved into it