John Groce at Illinois

icengineer · Feb 2, 2016

WesterveltVictoryCigar said:
Hi, you've found an Illinois sports board. Just thought I'd point this out as this post leads me to believe you are unfamiliar with our past.

Lol. Welllll, I've been around longer then it might seem. Ever heard of reincarnation?

Gorilla Gorilla · Feb 2, 2016

temperedexpectations said:
It's a place to commiserate for Illini fans. Therapy for some. Me, my expectations are so low for Illinois sports these days that i find the terrible to be entertaining as much as the good, like those people who watch housewives or kardashians, it's so bad it's fun.

I get the general concept of the message board...

I just don't find enjoyment in rooting for our coach to get canned.

QCChief · Feb 2, 2016

Dana Altman? Doubt he'd leave Oregon but worth a shot.

Newman · Feb 2, 2016

QCChief said:
Dana Altman? Doubt he'd leave Oregon but worth a shot.

Interesting pick.. he has Nike, a stable program, and is paid .3 million more than Groce.

Fillory · Feb 2, 2016

Newman said:
Interesting pick.. he has Nike, a stable program, and is paid .3 million more than Groce.

I get that, and you're right, but it's still Oregon basketball. He will never be the dominant program at the school

Newman · Feb 2, 2016

Fillory said:
I get that, and you're right, but it's still Oregon basketball. He will never be the dominant program at the school

Couldn't the same be said about Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Florida, Texas, and Ohio State?

Fillory · Feb 2, 2016

Newman said:
Couldn't the same be said about Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Florida, Texas, and Ohio State?

Maybe, but Oregon is a significantly worse basketball school than any of the ones you've mentioned AND it is in a bad time zone

mattcoldagelli · Feb 2, 2016

Fillory said:
AND it is in a bad time zone

Fillory · Feb 2, 2016

mattcoldagelli said:

It is a lot harder to recruit players from Eastern and Central time zones when your night games start at 10 at night. Welcome to the facts of television. It sounds crazy, but it is true.

mattcoldagelli · Feb 2, 2016

Fillory said:
It is a lot harder to recruit players from Eastern and Central time zones when your night games start at 10 at night. Welcome to the facts of television. It sounds crazy, but it is true.

Vastly overstated when you have access to highlights whenever you want them. PAC-12 has its own network and content, as well. Not sure what the number of kids that are saying "Gee, I'd love to play for you, but I just can't see your games" is in 2016, but it is very, very low.

danielb927 · Feb 3, 2016

mattcoldagelli said:
Vastly overstated when you have access to highlights whenever you want them. PAC-12 has its own network and content, as well. Not sure what the number of kids that are saying "Gee, I'd love to play for you, but I just can't see your games" is in 2016, but it is very, very low.

Time zone is something I noticed a lot after moving out to the west coast. I never even considered that it would have much of an impact on my life when I was deciding on a grad school.

ILL in IA · Feb 3, 2016

danielb927 said:
Time zone is something I noticed a lot after moving out to the west coast. I never even considered that it would have much of an impact on my life when I was deciding on a grad school.

They still get a lot of sweet Nike stuff, just 2 hours later

Adnarel · Feb 3, 2016

Myke Henry

http://writingillini.com/2016/02/03/illinois-basketball-myke-henry-proves-to-be-another-mark-on-groces-resume/

So, this link showed up on my front page of Google News today. Now it's also Groce's fault that the light bulb didn't go off over Myke Henry's head until his senior year? I remember a guy who didn't really play with any fire and was an unreliable jumpshooter. I don't remember the context of his leaving. Did he get creaned?

Newman · Feb 3, 2016

Adnarel said:
http://writingillini.com/2016/02/03/illinois-basketball-myke-henry-proves-to-be-another-mark-on-groces-resume/

So, this link showed up on my front page of Google News today. Now it's also Groce's fault that the light bulb didn't go off over Myke Henry's head until his senior year? I remember a guy who didn't really play with any fire and was an unreliable jumpshooter. I don't remember the context of his leaving. Did he get creaned?

The guys at Writing Illini are completely clueless. You cannot expect all players to be retained after a coaching change.

RedRocksIllini · Feb 3, 2016

Adnarel said:
http://writingillini.com/2016/02/03/illinois-basketball-myke-henry-proves-to-be-another-mark-on-groces-resume/

So, this link showed up on my front page of Google News today. Now it's also Groce's fault that the light bulb didn't go off over Myke Henry's head until his senior year? I remember a guy who didn't really play with any fire and was an unreliable jumpshooter. I don't remember the context of his leaving. Did he get creaned?

Happy to see that things have worked out well for Myke but laying that on Groce is a pretty serious stretch.

Adnarel · Feb 3, 2016

Newman said:
The guys at Writing Illini are completely clueless. You cannot expect all players to be retained after a coaching change.

I took a closer look at that page and then saw who wrote it. I should just start ignoring this guy's stuff. It's universally terrible, and I don't understand how he gained this platform.

But I am genuinely happy for Myke Henry. I remember him always looking sort of blue on the bench. Glad he's getting an opportunity to be a BMOC, even if it wasn't with the O&B.

ILL in IA · Feb 3, 2016

Adnarel said:
http://writingillini.com/2016/02/03...y-proves-to-be-another-mark-on-groces-resume/

So, this link showed up on my front page of Google News today. Now it's also Groce's fault that the light bulb didn't go off over Myke Henry's head until his senior year? I remember a guy who didn't really play with any fire and was an unreliable jumpshooter. I don't remember the context of his leaving. Did he get creaned?

"Groce was a player away from the NCAA tourney the past 2 seasons and it was Myke Henry"

NOPE it was a PG. Groce was a PG away from the NCAA tourney. I like Myke. Wish him the best.

TCTORNADO · Feb 3, 2016

Adnarel said:
http://writingillini.com/2016/02/03/illinois-basketball-myke-henry-proves-to-be-another-mark-on-groces-resume/

So, this link showed up on my front page of Google News today. Now it's also Groce's fault that the light bulb didn't go off over Myke Henry's head until his senior year? I remember a guy who didn't really play with any fire and was an unreliable jumpshooter. I don't remember the context of his leaving. Did he get creaned?

Myke Henry got run off to pick up Darius Paul. That didn't work out so well.

WesterveltVictoryCigar · Feb 3, 2016

Adnarel said:
I took a closer look at that page and then saw who wrote it. I should just start ignoring this guy's stuff. It's universally terrible, and I don't understand how he gained this platform.

Yeah, go read his column on replacement candidates for Groce. It's embarrassingly bad.

FeelYourPaign · Feb 3, 2016

TCTORNADO said:
Myke Henry got run off to pick up Darius Paul. That didn't work out so well.

That's not how I remember it.
What I read is that the staff wanted MH to stay, but he didn't like what he was reading in the tea leaves about his playing time here.
Now, I'm no insider and what I know is what I read here.
You seem to be personally connected, so I openly acknowledge that you may have it exactly right.
But for those less informed, it wasn't thought that he was run off, rather that he was lost with regret.

WesterveltVictoryCigar · Feb 3, 2016

FeelYourPaign said:
That's not how I remember it.
What I read is that the staff wanted MH to stay, but he didn't like what he was reading in the tea leaves about his playing time here.
Now, I'm no insider and what I know is what I read here.
You seem to be personally connected, so I openly acknowledge that you may have it exactly right.
But for those less informed, it wasn't thought that he was run off, rather that he was lost with regret.

Yeah, he wanted to play the 3 and Groce needed him at the 4.

coryfor3 · Feb 3, 2016

FeelYourPaign said:
That's not how I remember it.
What I read is that the staff wanted MH to stay, but he didn't like what he was reading in the tea leaves about his playing time here.
Now, I'm no insider and what I know is what I read here.
You seem to be personally connected, so I openly acknowledge that you may have it exactly right.
But for those less informed, it wasn't thought that he was run off, rather that he was lost with regret.

The regret grows every day.

RedRocksIllini · Feb 3, 2016

FeelYourPaign said:
That's not how I remember it.
What I read is that the staff wanted MH to stay, but he didn't like what he was reading in the tea leaves about his playing time here.
Now, I'm no insider and what I know is what I read here.
You seem to be personally connected, so I openly acknowledge that you may have it exactly right.
But for those less informed, it wasn't thought that he was run off, rather that he was lost with regret.

coryfor3 said:
The regret grows every day.

Well, he would have been gone by now. Also, his skills largely overlapped Malcolm's which is partly why we wanted him at the 4. But I agree...I was sorry to see him leave.

RedRocksIllini · Feb 3, 2016

RedRocksIllini said:
Well, he would have been gone by now. Also, his skills largely overlapped Malcolm's which is partly why we wanted him at the 4. But I agree...I was sorry to see him leave.

Actually, it was more than just Malcolm. There was a glut of skill at the 3 on the 2013-2014 team. All ties back to the imbalance in our roster that we've had for several years.

IllinoisFan733 · Feb 3, 2016

WesterveltVictoryCigar said:
Yeah, he wanted to play the 3 and Groce needed him at the 4.

And what position is he playing at DePaul? The 4. Maybe Groce was right all along, and he was getting bad information from those around him.

John Groce at Illinois

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