Looking ahead to 2021-2022

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Deron was a pretty squishy soft 195# as a freshman. Curbelo is already solid as a Fletch rock, and can absolutely put 15-20lbs on in three years.
6'1" ~185-190 with that muscle is an NBA ready PG body.

If..and when..he does. Look. Out.

Curbelo would be undersized for the NBA, but that's not the thing holding him back. He needs to be a much better shooter to have a chance at the league. If he gets comfortable from the arc, then I'd say watch out.
 
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Curbelo would be undersized for the NBA, but that's not the thing holding him back. He needs to be a much better shooter to have a chance at the league. If he gets comfortable from the arc, then I'd say watch out.
Agreed. Kemba Walker, Trae Young, Rajon Rondo, Kyle Lowry, Fred vanvleet, Mike Conley and more Curbello’s height or shorter.
 
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Curbelo
AM
Hutch
Mitchell
Kofi

Plummer 1st guy off the bench 1 or 2
Payne
Grandison
Damonte (?)

Podz
Hawkins
Melendez
Goode
Lieb


When are final 4 tickets on sale?
 
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Curbelo
AM
Hutch
Mitchell
Kofi

Plummer 1st guy off the bench 1 or 2
Payne
Grandison
Damonte (?)

Podz
Hawkins
Melendez
Goode
Lieb


When are final 4 tickets on sale?
I know this is all hypothetical but this is why guys transfer. No way Damonte, Grandison, and Hawkins would project to play that far down the bench and stick around.

I’m using this to segue to theme of guys transferring, and imo it would be totally reasonable for a guy Grandison who sat out a year, learned the system, started the season off the bench, and earned a starting role on the #2 ranked team in the country to expect to keep that starting role penciled in for next year.

Personally, I don’t think that a ‘better’ player being available and willing to join the team is enough reason to supplant some of these guys. I am not suggesting that’s what’s happening, just using the hypothetical to illustrate my opinion on the matter.

I do think that in this transfer era coaches at some point need to tell their players, the ones who earned it, “you’re my guy next year, we’re going to rely on you, and you need to work hard because it’s your turn, you earned it”.
 
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I know this is all hypothetical but this is why guys transfer. No way Damonte, Grandison, and Hawkins would project to play that far down the bench and stick around.

I’m using this to segue to theme of guys transferring, and imo it would be totally reasonable for a guy Grandison who sat out a year, learned the system, started the season off the bench, and earned a starting role on the #2 ranked team in the country to expect to keep that starting role penciled in for next year.

Personally, I don’t think that a ‘better’ player being available and willing to join the team is enough reason to supplant some of these guys. I am not suggesting that’s what’s happening, just using the hypothetical to illustrate my opinion on the matter.

I do think that in this transfer era coaches at some point need to tell their players, the ones who earned it, “you’re my guy next year, we’re going to rely on you, and you need to work hard because it’s your turn, you earned it”.
So you believe Kofi shouldn't have started his freshman year because Giorgi worked hard and deserved it.
 
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Food for thought: If the season wouldn't have ended the way it did and we made a final four run would we be in the same situation? Obviously Ayo was gone either way. Would AM transfer? Would Georgi leave? Would we at least feel better about next year as a fanbase...?!
I don’t think it mattered one bit in the minds of the players
 
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Curbelo would be undersized for the NBA, but that's not the thing holding him back. He needs to be a much better shooter to have a chance at the league. If he gets comfortable from the arc, then I'd say watch out.

I agree, and particularly off the dribble since he will have the ball in his hands as a pg. He needs to be able to pull off screens when his defender goes under or gets caught up.
 
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Muggsy Bogues, Earl Boykins, Spud Webb and Nate Robinson make Curbello look tall.

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Curbelo
AM
Hutch
Mitchell
Kofi

Plummer 1st guy off the bench 1 or 2
Payne
Grandison
Damonte (?)

Podz
Hawkins
Melendez
Goode
Lieb


When are final 4 tickets on sale?
Just for the sake of asking, is this hypothetical lineup better than our lineup this past season?
 
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Just for the sake of asking, is this hypothetical lineup better than our lineup this past season?

With Kofi and Mitchell, 100% yes. Perhaps take a small step back defensively though.
 
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I know this is all hypothetical but this is why guys transfer. No way Damonte, Grandison, and Hawkins would project to play that far down the bench and stick around.

I’m using this to segue to theme of guys transferring, and imo it would be totally reasonable for a guy Grandison who sat out a year, learned the system, started the season off the bench, and earned a starting role on the #2 ranked team in the country to expect to keep that starting role penciled in for next year.

Personally, I don’t think that a ‘better’ player being available and willing to join the team is enough reason to supplant some of these guys. I am not suggesting that’s what’s happening, just using the hypothetical to illustrate my opinion on the matter.

I do think that in this transfer era coaches at some point need to tell their players, the ones who earned it, “you’re my guy next year, we’re going to rely on you, and you need to work hard because it’s your turn, you earned it”.
I wonder what those end of year conversations sound like. I like your game but.... there are 3 transfers available that do what you do, but they’re more experienced and stronger. Back in the good old days, I looked forward to watching the players improve .
 
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Curbelo
AM
Hutch
Mitchell
Kofi

Plummer 1st guy off the bench 1 or 2
Payne
Grandison
Damonte (?)

Podz
Hawkins
Melendez
Goode
Lieb


When are final 4 tickets on sale?
I like our chances much better since we are replacing AM for TF! Now if we get AM back and either he or Hutch need to come off the bench....dang!
 
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So you believe Kofi shouldn't have started his freshman year because Giorgi worked hard and deserved it.
No, I don’t think that’s what I said or at least intended to. The players know the freshman are coming in every year. I think if a veteran loses his job to better freshman than that’s just the best players playing.

I personally see transfers as a different scenario, and I’m not against transfers in general. But I do think that can damage morale and team culture if a coach recruits a transfer over an established player who has earned their role. Why spend 2 or three years improving, working for your chance, just to be dropped back onto the bench by a transfer?

Same scenario applies to hiring/promoting within an office environment.

Heading into this off-season I’d expect Grandison not to be recruited over a transfer. He was...

4th in PER (0.1 behind Curbello for 3rd)
3rd in WIn Shares / 40 Minutes
3rd in Offense Box Plus Minus
2nd in Defense Box Plus Minus
2nd in True Shooting %
3rd in Effective Field Goal %

It’s just that his Usage rating was tied for 7th with Hawkins. What more do you want from the guy in this hypothetical scenario? It’s just my opinion a guy in his position has earned the right to go through the off-season expecting to continue starting and not worrying if someone’s going to transfer in and take his spot.

Edit: for the record I would not see Tre Mitchell as being recruited over him - different positions as Grandison was a guard originally playing as a forward.

Curbello / Trent
Trent / Hutch
Grandison / Damonte
Mitchell / Hawkins
Kofi / Payne

Thats my off season depth chart. Things could change like they did this year with damonte coming of the bench.
 
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No, I don’t think that’s what I said or at least intended to. The players know the freshman are coming in every year. I think if a veteran loses his job to better freshman than that’s just the best players playing.

I personally see transfers as a different scenario, and I’m not against transfers in general. But I do think that can damage morale and team culture if a coach recruits a transfer over an established player who has earned their role. Why spend 2 or three years improving, working for your chance, just to be dropped back onto the bench by a transfer?

Same scenario applies to hiring/promoting within an office environment.

Heading into this off-season I’d expect Grandison not to be recruited over a transfer. He was...

4th in PER (0.1 behind Curbello for 3rd)
3rd in WIn Shares / 40 Minutes
3rd in Offense Box Plus Minus
2nd in Defense Box Plus Minus
2nd in True Shooting %
3rd in Effective Field Goal %

It’s just that his Usage rating was tied for 7th with Hawkins. What more do you want from the guy in this hypothetical scenario? It’s just my opinion a guy in his position has earned the right to go through the off-season expecting to continue starting and not worrying if someone’s going to transfer in and take his spot.

Edit: for the record I would not see Tre Mitchell as being recruited over him - different positions as Grandison was a guard originally playing as a forward.

Curbello / Trent
Trent / Hutch
Grandison / Damonte
Mitchell / Hawkins
Kofi / Payne

Thats my off season depth chart. Things could change like they did this year with damonte coming of the bench.
This depth chart will have to be revised daily. 😂😂
 
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