Louisville Self-Imposes 2016 Postseason Ban

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Second and Chalmers

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Louisville deserves punishment for paying for hookers when there are innumerable coeds who would be happy and eager to show some recruits a good time.

There have been "arrangements" on college visits since time immemorial, this isn't difficult.
 
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Tevo

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Second and Chalmers said:
Louisville deserves punishment for paying for hookers when there are innumerable coeds who would be happy and eager to show some recruits a good time.

There have been "arrangements" on college visits since time immemorial, this isn't difficult.
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Sigh. Reason #38 I should have been better at sports. :(
 
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Chris Yates

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Johnny Lawrence said:
I knew this was going to get a response but I'm just tired of everyone looking for other's more successful to "suffer."

I think it's very possible to that he didn't know about it. Should he have? Probably. Should our parents have known or have been held accountable for our indiscretions at the ages of 18-25?
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Were our parents getting paid millions of dollars to raise us, and in the process making tens of millions of dollars for a business? Raising children is a labor of love. Coaching a major college sports is a business. The more appropriate analogy asks whether a CEO should be disciplined if a mid-level manager runs amok and causes major financial and reputational damage to the company run by the CEO.
 
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Chris Yates said:
The more appropriate analogy asks whether a CEO should be disciplined if a mid-level manager runs amok and causes major financial and reputational damage to the company run by the CEO.
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That's the line of reasoning CFOs used to avoid prosecution during financial scandals circa 2000. Why should the CFO be held responsible for fraud in the company's books? Why make the officer of the company who is responsible for the financials, responsible for the financials?

I personally can't understand how that argument flies, but it seems to work.

It's interesting to me that in Japan, resignations are much more common simply because there's a better understanding of where this thinking leads. The ONLY way to stop this behavior is to hold the folks at the top accountable, even if they may have been betrayed by their underlings. With great power comes great responsibility.

We all know that's not how it works here, but it's an interesting contrast. Culturally we like the 'win at all costs' guy, and tend to look the other way if the methods are distasteful.
 
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Calvin said:
That's the line of reasoning CFOs used to avoid prosecution during financial scandals circa 2000. Why should the CFO be held responsible for fraud in the company's books? Why make the officer of the company who is responsible for the financials, responsible for the financials?

I personally can't understand how that argument flies, but it seems to work.

It's interesting to me that in Japan, resignations are much more common simply because there's a better understanding of where this thinking leads. The ONLY way to stop this behavior is to hold the folks at the top accountable, even if they may have been betrayed by their underlings. With great power comes great responsibility.

We all know that's not how it works here, but it's an interesting contrast. Culturally we like the 'win at all costs' guy, and tend to look the other way if the methods are distasteful.
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Speak for yourself. I like the work hard, treat people the right way guy/gal who makes it big and gives credit to those who made it work along with him/her. The era of the blowhard all talk no substance guy is hopefully over.
 
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Chris Yates

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Rick Pitino used his mic time today to lecture the NCAA on how it should sanction violators. What a joke, all the way around. :hurl:
 
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1970 John

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More recently, how about Penn State and the Sandusky scandal. Living in PA now I saw that unfold. Sandusky at the time wasn't a PSU employee, but there's no way that everyone didn't have an idea that something was going on. And if Joe Paterno didn't know, he should have. There was, in my opinion, willful ignorance, and again, he should have. It happened on his watch. JoPa controlled that program so much that his players were exempt from the PSU discipline program. He handled everything.

So I look at Kentucky and say, everyone knew what was going on. You don't hide something that extensive--much wider than what was going on at PSU--and just believe that nothing's going on. Strippers? Hookers? Anyone want to plug in the Sgt Shultz "I know nothing" clip here.

Coaching stall all the way up and down should be canned. They all knew. The kids who were involved should be expelled. The kids who didn't get the strippers/hookers--but of course knew--let them stay. You really can't hold them responsible, even for not just ratting out the goings on.

But the heck with the NCAA. This is something the university should be doing. Every faculty member has a "morals" clause in his/her contract. It's time for Kentucky to exercise it...or accept that KY Jelly is going to have a whole new meaning.
 
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hooraybeer

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so i guess in a scenario where Pitino is fired in 2016 and JG follows in 2017, no one would want Pitino after a year off?
 
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So I look at Kentucky and say, everyone knew what was going on. .[/QUOTE]

I know you mean Louisville ;)

But the slip is certainly understandable! :D

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Sleepy Floyd said:
Yeah I too I'm mad that a kid who grew up always wanting to go to his home town school, got recruited over, then went to a school he couldn't pronounce the name of ultimately went to he first choice school.
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It's not that he simply got the shaft at first and then got a 2nd chance later on and changed his mind, it's how it all went down.

Both he and his father said they were committed to Groce and simply ducked out like cowards on signing day. They had plenty of time to let Groce know they were reconsidering but instead left him hanging out to dry.

I don't wish success on people who treat others like that.
 
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Hoppy2105 said:
It's not that he simply got the shaft at first and then got a 2nd chance later on and changed his mind, it's how it all went down.

Both he and his father said they were committed to Groce and simply ducked out like cowards on signing day. They had plenty of time to let Groce know they were reconsidering but instead left him hanging out to dry.

I don't wish success on people who treat others like that.
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It's funny how people choose to ignore all that. :tsk:
 
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All of these scandals and what not make me sick. The only ones punished are the players and fans and maybe an assistant coach gets thrown to the wolves. Head coaches keep collecting their millions and sometimes stay or move on to another opportunity. Just insanity.
 
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hooraybeer said:
so i guess in a scenario where Pitino is fired in 2016 and JG follows in 2017, no one would want Pitino after a year off?
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Well that would be different. He would see the error in his ways and be reformed. Welcome to Illini Nation Mr. Pitino. Welcome indeed...
 
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frankfortillini said:
All of these scandals and what not make me sick. The only ones punished are the players and fans and maybe an assistant coach gets thrown to the wolves. Head coaches keep collecting their millions and sometimes stay or move on to another opportunity. Just insanity.
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So you don't think the players had any idea what was going on? :confused:
 
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With the exception of the SMU football death penalty years ago, devastating rulings by the NCAA have been extremely rare. How Pete Carroll's USC teams avoided it remains a mystery -- convicted felons! FELONIES!! Pete: "Somebody's gotta defend these guys."

What's missing in the mix regarding Louisville is the conference's response. Why hasn't there been an independent investigation by the ACC? The conference should have taken a stand and immediately barred the Cards' participation in the conf. tourney, which Louisville itself (belatedly) is declining participation in.

On the subject of the ACC looking the other way, let's not forget that last year, Sports Illustrated reported extensively on the joke of academic policies at North Carolina. A travesty on the term "student athlete." Yet there's been NO punishment of the program or Williams by anyone, AT ALL!

ACC basketball is rapidly approaching the status of SEC football, as far as severely punishable violations that routinely get swept under the rug.

I'm more familiar with the football end of things, but the UNC basketball report was exactly what everyone suspected & feared. Look for example at Oklahoma State football in their conf: another death penalty candidate that continues to fly under the radar.
 
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ILL in IA

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cmore said:
Well that would be different. He would see the error in his ways and be reformed. Welcome to Illini Nation Mr. Pitino. Welcome indeed...
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As long as your not talking about Little Richard, im in. I don't want to see that guy anywhere close to Champaign outside of his one trip in with Minny.
 
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FanUND said:
Why hasn't there been an independent investigation by the ACC?
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Same reason as all the other things: when no one demands accountability, there is none.

How many fans would boycott their team or their sport over a scandal? Not nearly enough to make a dent in the problem.