Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
Agreed. I don't feel bad making someone a millionaire to not work for us...
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Not to mention giving his son a pretty nice parachute. Probably 2x more than he'll make in a year anywhere else.
Agreed. I don't feel bad making someone a millionaire to not work for us...
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I'm really struggling to follow the logic of this other popular contrarian "hot take" today that Whitman did something unethical by courting Lovie and getting a handshake agreement before firing Cubit. The whole point of the two-year deal, which was openly acknowledged at the time it was announced, was that it specifically structured to provide an option for the new AD, whoever that was, to reverse course and bring in someone else at any time. If Cubit did not want this outcome, he needed to hold out for a longer contract with a bigger buyout or not take the job. Whitman could not have fired first and searched second. For one thing, the riskiness of that approach would have been immense; we could have gotten hung out to dry on an epic scale. And second, we'd have no leverage in negotiations even if Lovie or someone else was interested in the job. It was either do it this way or retain Cubit. There was no third option.
So, are these critics of ours really suggesting that the "right" thing to do would be to pass on Lovie, sit on Cubit until the end of the 2016 season, and then take our chances with whoever we could land on the open market during silly season ten months from, all because it would be considered kind of jerky for some people for us to exercise a clause that was part of the deal from day one and gives us an opportunity to massively revitalize the program which we may never see again? I love the hypocrisy of all this. Like these sports pundits judge teams and athletes and sports executives by how nice and considerate they are, and not on sheer results. Like these same guys' hot takes next November after we went 4-8 wouldn't be to critique that "amateur" Whitman for letting it happen.
Pathetic.
Just because it's water under the bridge now doesn't mean the Cubs didn't stab Renteria in the back.
However, Theo's responsibility to the Cubs organization outweighed his responsibility to Rick Renteria. Whitman's responsibility to the program as a whole outweighs his responsibility to Bill Cubit.
100%, you're not alone.
I was one of the posters who felt very negative about that hire at the time for any number of reasons. I'm willing to admit I was wrong. There are a lot of positives to Lovie as the HC. He's a good man. The players should love playing for him and accept his guidance.I mentioned this earlier in this thread, that it was just a nearly two months ago, I was chatting with other posters about suggesting that Lovie Smith, should come coach the college game and leave the non-sense that comes with coaching in the NFL. At that time, I thought it would be a pipe dream for him to coach the college game, let alone the Illini. Pipe dream no more. This has become a reality and boy does it feels great!!!![]()
Yep. I've been utterly useless today.

The whole point of the two-year deal, which was openly acknowledged at the time it was announced, was that it specifically structured to provide an option for the new AD, whoever that was, to reverse course and bring in someone else at any time.
So, are these critics of ours really suggesting that the "right" thing to do would be to pass on Lovie, sit on Cubit until the end of the 2016 season, and then take our chances with whoever we could land on the open market during silly season ten months from
I'm really struggling to follow the logic of this other popular contrarian "hot take" today that Whitman did something unethical by courting Lovie and getting a handshake agreement before firing Cubit. The whole point of the two-year deal, which was openly acknowledged at the time it was announced, was that it specifically structured to provide an option for the new AD, whoever that was, to reverse course and bring in someone else at any time. If Cubit did not want this outcome, he needed to hold out for a longer contract with a bigger buyout or not take the job. Whitman could not have fired first and searched second. For one thing, the riskiness of that approach would have been immense; we could have gotten hung out to dry on an epic scale. And second, we'd have no leverage in negotiations even if Lovie or someone else was interested in the job. It was either do it this way or retain Cubit. There was no third option.
So, are these critics of ours really suggesting that the "right" thing to do would be to pass on Lovie, sit on Cubit until the end of the 2016 season, and then take our chances with whoever we could land on the open market during silly season ten months from, all because it would be considered kind of jerky for some people for us to exercise a clause that was part of the deal from day one and gives us an opportunity to massively revitalize the program which we may never see again? I love the hypocrisy of all this. Like these sports pundits judge teams and athletes and sports executives by how nice and considerate they are, and not on sheer results. Like these same guys' hot takes next November after we went 4-8 wouldn't be to critique that "amateur" Whitman for letting it happen.
Pathetic.
Man, I really like Whitman.
Where's that feed? Didn't see a video on fightingillini.com
I mentioned this earlier in this thread, that it was just a nearly two months ago, I was chatting with other posters about suggesting that Lovie Smith, should come coach the college game and leave the non-sense that comes with coaching in the NFL. At that time, I thought it would be a pipe dream for him to coach the college game, let alone the Illini. Pipe dream no more. This has become a reality and boy does it feels great!!!![]()
Is anyone else having issues on FI.com with the live presser?
Anyone else's feed keep freezing?
Is this Ron Turner's best recruit ever?![]()
Sounds like we should remember to thank Ron Turner for his contributions to this hire.
Never was that high on RT as a coach, but sure sounds like he stepped up big time to help JW put this deal together...and if not for his connections and advice, it may never have happened. For that he should forever be remembered positively by Illini fans. Thanks for the assist, RT!!