Marquette 67, Illinois 66 Postgame
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IlliniNation, I follow this rule...never rip the players. They have committed to the University which I attended, they are not professionals they are 18-22 year olds.
Yes I have been dissappointed at losses (Loyola, Missouri) last year, but I take that pause...sometimes a day to let things fall in perspective.
This was Andre's first college game in a hostile crowd returning from a concussion. As much as he tried things were off, he knows it. Lets move on and truly support the team when things go sour. Stay classy all.
Yes I have been dissappointed at losses (Loyola, Missouri) last year, but I take that pause...sometimes a day to let things fall in perspective.
This was Andre's first college game in a hostile crowd returning from a concussion. As much as he tried things were off, he knows it. Lets move on and truly support the team when things go sour. Stay classy all.
Captain 14
- The Last Best Place
What would Lou-do?
Has anyone seen the movie, "Miracle," lately? Herb Brooks used several losses--including to the Russians--as a setup to the ultimate win against the Ruskies. If you haven't watched it lately, or especially if you're never seen it, watch it. Look at it from a "how to coach" standpoint.
This team, our Illini, needed to be taken down a peg or two. They believed their own press releases a little too much.
That said, there was a lot of eagerness for a Loyola 2.0, and dang, Marquette was making a lot of points from the freethrow line. I haven't seen the breakdown, but more points, after we had our 12 point lead, from the line than field goals. It was as if Marquette came down the court with the ball, they knew a foul was coming. And they could do anything at the other end of the court. I know, I know, blaming it on the refs. Well, as the saying goes, even if you are paranoid, they still might be out to get you.
This team, our Illini, needed to be taken down a peg or two. They believed their own press releases a little too much.
That said, there was a lot of eagerness for a Loyola 2.0, and dang, Marquette was making a lot of points from the freethrow line. I haven't seen the breakdown, but more points, after we had our 12 point lead, from the line than field goals. It was as if Marquette came down the court with the ball, they knew a foul was coming. And they could do anything at the other end of the court. I know, I know, blaming it on the refs. Well, as the saying goes, even if you are paranoid, they still might be out to get you.
Remember how "off" Ayo looked last year after the shot to the head? I hadn't thought about the concussion angle.
I’m trying to remember who the opponent was Deron’s freshman year, but he missed two big free throws down the stretch that cost us. And at the time I though man, this guy might not have it. Since then I realized young players grow up and some even become nba stars.
I’m not at all worried about Andre or the team.
I’m not at all worried about Andre or the team.
Some numbers for the collective:
81.2 - The win probability % Ohio (not Ohio State) had with 7 seconds left in our game against them last year in Champaign. After a layup put them up one, the refs bailed us out and Ayo iced the game away with 2 made free throws. We shot 24 free throws to Ohio's 9. Sometimes the reffing is lopsided on your behalf. And sometimes things just don't go your way. That was a top 10 team that almost got beat by Ohio.
6 - The amount of turnovers Ayo had in our loss to Miznoz last year. After a furious comeback, in which he hung 36 points on those idiots, Ayo was responsible for 5 empty possessions out of our last 8 to end the game. (1. Ayo Off foul / 2. Ayo made jumper / 3. DMW missed 3 / 4. Ayo missed layup / 5. Ayo Turnover / 6. Ayo Off foul / 7. Kofi Dunk-Belo Assist / 8. Ayo missed 3) #BENCHAYO
1 - The seed of that team come tourney time.
100,000+ - The amount of Illini fans whos @##hole puckered up tight every time Belo had to go out last year because the offense flowed so well with him on the court. (me included) Try to remember all the good he did for us and that players can have bad games. Especially when asked to step up into a new role.
293 - The amount of replies to the post-game thread for our win against Ohio State to win the B1G tourney and secure a 1 seed. This thread is at 560 and counting. For those of you who created an account or jumped on for the first time in a long time just to bash Belo/the team, get a grip. If you don't want to come and celebrate the incredible wins with us, we don't need to see you for the tough losses. Take a break, collect yourself, and come back with a clear and rational post. Critiques are fine, but some of these posts are ridiculous.
2 - The amount Michigan lost by tonight against Seton Hall...at home. (Just to make us all feel better)
81.2 - The win probability % Ohio (not Ohio State) had with 7 seconds left in our game against them last year in Champaign. After a layup put them up one, the refs bailed us out and Ayo iced the game away with 2 made free throws. We shot 24 free throws to Ohio's 9. Sometimes the reffing is lopsided on your behalf. And sometimes things just don't go your way. That was a top 10 team that almost got beat by Ohio.
6 - The amount of turnovers Ayo had in our loss to Miznoz last year. After a furious comeback, in which he hung 36 points on those idiots, Ayo was responsible for 5 empty possessions out of our last 8 to end the game. (1. Ayo Off foul / 2. Ayo made jumper / 3. DMW missed 3 / 4. Ayo missed layup / 5. Ayo Turnover / 6. Ayo Off foul / 7. Kofi Dunk-Belo Assist / 8. Ayo missed 3) #BENCHAYO
1 - The seed of that team come tourney time.
100,000+ - The amount of Illini fans whos @##hole puckered up tight every time Belo had to go out last year because the offense flowed so well with him on the court. (me included) Try to remember all the good he did for us and that players can have bad games. Especially when asked to step up into a new role.
293 - The amount of replies to the post-game thread for our win against Ohio State to win the B1G tourney and secure a 1 seed. This thread is at 560 and counting. For those of you who created an account or jumped on for the first time in a long time just to bash Belo/the team, get a grip. If you don't want to come and celebrate the incredible wins with us, we don't need to see you for the tough losses. Take a break, collect yourself, and come back with a clear and rational post. Critiques are fine, but some of these posts are ridiculous.
2 - The amount Michigan lost by tonight against Seton Hall...at home. (Just to make us all feel better)
Thank you...this does help put in perspective.
I still think in-game coaching and individual player coaching can improve.
I put Marquette loss more on coaches...than any one player.
Wonder if the coaches look over tape and critique themselves...i.e. "....when we saw Marquette do x...we really should have adjusted to Y...." or when we saw "player x do that, we really should have pulled him out and refocused him on z...."
In game adjustments need to improve, IMO.
I hope so, otherwise they will get complacent and stagnate. Regularly evaluating your own performance (or someone else evaluating your performance) is key in getting better at what you do regardless of your job.
I’m guessing learning to coach together with new coaches can take time just like learning to play together as well.
I saw that at the time of the steal and thought exactly the same thing but the refs swallowed their whistles
Exactly what I thought. He took no responsibility.
To be fair, Coach Underwood has accepted blame for a couple of games. He's said things along the line of, "that's on me". I would have to dig which games, but I'm pretty confident he's said it before. He knows more about their game plan, personnel, and execution than we ever would so I'm guessing his decision was made for a reason.
At the same time, you will have camps of people who will say, "I'm tired of hearing the coach just say that's on me! Fix it!" (e.g. Bret).I'd rather a coach just be honest. We have 0 idea of who's to blame and often times it's more complicated than pointing a finger at one person. For all we know, they did practice this several times and the players did not execute.
Me personally, I don't want coaches saying, "that's on me" just to say it. If they genuinely feel it's something they've gone over before, than it becomes a question of are they practicing it incorrectly or is execution off. Regardless, it brings everyone closer to a solution.
The flipside of that coin is sometimes players just play bad and its not on the coach. If they score there and win the game no one would be talking about it.
Illini92and96
- Austin, TX
Why are we so obsessed about assignment and ownership of blame? Is that part of a post-loss checklist? Why can't Brad say we practiced it so I expected it would happen. Sure he's accountable at the end of the day, but does he have to tell us that every time we lose? Would we feel better if he just started every press conference after a loss with "I own it, and here are the three things I'm going to better next time?" Sometimes stuff just doesn't happen as you want and you move on without overanalyzing.
Some of you sound like my wife
This. I don't understand the need for it to be clear who's fault it is that something went wrong. It's usually not as simple as one person. Should he call out specific players and coaches and what they did wrong?Why are we so obsessed about assignment and ownership of blame? Is that part of a post-loss checklist? Why can't Brad say we practiced it so I expected it would happen. Sure he's accountable at the end of the day, but does he have to tell us that every time we lose? Would we feel better if he just started every press conference after a loss with "I own it, and here are the three things I'm going to better next time?" Sometimes stuff just doesn't happen as you want and you move on without overanalyzing.
Some of you sound like my wife
I think coaches often take the blame for tough losses when their players did the right things, put in the effort, and it didn't work out. It's a way to keep morale high and not have players lose confidence. In situations where players play poorly, and need to reflect on that, a coach taking the blame could let the players off the hook and allow players to avoid looking inward. Just a thought as to why BU may take the blame sometimes and not others. A coach's #1 job is to improve the performance of the players on the court and you have to look at everything he does through that lens.
Chad Fleck
- Eureka, IL
I disagree with Ayo here. There has to be intent.
NBA Rulebook:
Section IV—Strike the Ball
- A player shall not kick the ball or strike it with the fist.
- Kicking the ball or striking it with any part of the leg is a violation when it is an intentional act. The ball accidentally striking the foot, the leg or fist is not a violation.
Big Jack
- Decatur
Retro62
- North Bethesda, Maryland
My wife would definitely say "I own it."Why are we so obsessed about assignment and ownership of blame? Is that part of a post-loss checklist? Why can't Brad say we practiced it so I expected it would happen. Sure he's accountable at the end of the day, but does he have to tell us that every time we lose? Would we feel better if he just started every press conference after a loss with "I own it, and here are the three things I'm going to better next time?" Sometimes stuff just doesn't happen as you want and you move on without overanalyzing.
Some of you sound like my wife
(I'm the it, in case your gutter minds are going in another direction...like mine did after I wrote it)
From the Sun Times on 11/16... apologize if already referenced.
chicago.suntimes.com
Illinois basketball fans were all over Andre Curbelo after the sophomore shot 4-for-18 and turned the ball over seven times Monday night in a 67-66 loss at Marquette. Curbelo, maybe the best pure point guard the Illini have had since Deron Williams, was kind of a mess out there in the third and final game of All-American center Kofi Cockburn’s suspension.
But you know what? That’s college basketball in November. And that’s Curbelo, who never met a flashy play he was unwilling to try. It’s what makes him as entertaining as any player in the country. There’s going to be some bad — especially early on — with all the good. It’s just how this thing works.
Ask Williams.
“Oh, man, I know what that’s like,” he said Tuesday. “I had 10 turnovers against Providence.”
Not true. Williams, then a sophomore, had nine of them — to go with one stinkin’ basket — in a December 2003 upset loss to the Friars at Madison Square Garden in New York.
“That wasn’t fun,” he said.
The Illini — a season before they reached the national championship game — went on to win the school’s first outright Big Ten title in 52 years. That? That was fun
For Bulls’ Ayo Dosunmu, joy is having the hometown presence of family in abundance
Dosunmu, 21, gets to live with his brother, eat dinner with his sisters, lean on Mom and Dad and chase his hoops dream in his own backyard. What a wonderful life.
chicago.suntimes.com
Illinois basketball fans were all over Andre Curbelo after the sophomore shot 4-for-18 and turned the ball over seven times Monday night in a 67-66 loss at Marquette. Curbelo, maybe the best pure point guard the Illini have had since Deron Williams, was kind of a mess out there in the third and final game of All-American center Kofi Cockburn’s suspension.
But you know what? That’s college basketball in November. And that’s Curbelo, who never met a flashy play he was unwilling to try. It’s what makes him as entertaining as any player in the country. There’s going to be some bad — especially early on — with all the good. It’s just how this thing works.
Ask Williams.
“Oh, man, I know what that’s like,” he said Tuesday. “I had 10 turnovers against Providence.”
Not true. Williams, then a sophomore, had nine of them — to go with one stinkin’ basket — in a December 2003 upset loss to the Friars at Madison Square Garden in New York.
“That wasn’t fun,” he said.
The Illini — a season before they reached the national championship game — went on to win the school’s first outright Big Ten title in 52 years. That? That was fun
Our turnovers had nothing to do with Marquette's press.
Perspective is a magical thing.
So is taking a breath and not making emotional posts you’ll regret later. (Not pointed at you IndyILL)
Great post!
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