Maryland 91, Illinois 70 Postgame

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#426      
Last night was abysmal, but I really can't square some of the doom and gloom on here (including from some insiders) with the ridiculously dominant product we've had on the floor at times this season.

Do we have a perfect team? Of course not. But the absolute simplest answer to what happened last night is that the illness sweeping the team kept one key player on the bench and slowed down others and then the team just caved late (recall, we were only down 3 with like 8 minutes left in the game).

Yes, most on the team looked like they were lollygagging last night.
Yes, our shooting has been terrible from 3 range lately.
Yes, Boswell tries to get too cute too often.

And yet we have still demolished teams (good ones) and looked better than MSU at Breslin for most of that game and were a few FTs and/or PFs away from winning that handily.

I choose to believe, based on the available evidence, that the biggest factor (though not the only one) is that the team is slowed by sickness right now and struggling to overcome that.
Great post. All the pieces are there. I think the doom and gloom is coming from not being able to see it all mold together in time for March.

Last night, halfway through the first half, I said "offensively, we're playing well, we're just not SHOOTING well". When the offense is getting us wide open looks at 3, you've gotta knock em down... Now defensively, there didn't seem to be much of a gameplan, which has been my complaint for basically the entirety of the Underwood era. No doubt Brad has been amazing at getting talent, adapting his offense, etc. but that defense is just LACKING beyond playing "tough" man which really only works when you have a tough, physical squad (who can also.. you know.. defend well 1 on 1, help, rotate, etc).
 
#427      
I've had a night to sleep on it, and I'll start with two positives:

1. I do think Maryland is a lot better than many think. I'm sure many here will be surprised to know that this was actually a Quad 1 loss, as they are #20 in the NET Rankings. If you crank your neck to REALLY try to only look on the bright side, it's not a bad loss ON PAPER with our team sick and starting center out, lol.
2. Indy spoke to a lack of "togetherness" compared to last year's team - something we all would obviously find really disheartening. However, there is something that makes me feel even a tiny bit optimistic about this. I'll admit this is more of a "gut feeling" conjecture and I'll obviously defer to the insiders or whatever, but I don't get a "dysfunctional" vibe from this team at all. Not trying to trash talk ANY former Illini, but there were multiple personalities on the 2023 team that just seemed rather indifferent to building a culture and were mostly in it for themselves. When I watch airhead mistakes from KJ, I don't get the vibe whatsoever that he isn't SUPER frustrated afterwards ... and I think he'd love nothing more than setting up a teammate with a sick assist. I genuinely think Bozwell WANTS to win a National Championship for the Illini and gets incredibly frustrated when a bunny at the rim misses. I have literally zero doubt that Tomislav wants his teammates to succeed and hates being out. I think this problem appears much more fixable than 2023, and I am hopeful that it is. Because if these guys can play together and stay mentally locked in, they have already shown that the sky is the limit.

With that said ... last night killed me as a fan. Since our 2019-20 renaissance, I would consider the following to be the most gut-punch losses I have personally endured as a fan (keep in mind, maybe I couldn't tune in to another loss you felt was worse or something) ... and I'll explain why each one was not as demoralizing for me as last night. Again, we might have had more frustrating losses in isolation, but these were the results that truly just brought me down as a fan as it related to our prospects for the season.

2019-20
#9 Maryland 75, #20 Illinois 66 in Champaign, IL:
Frankly, it was mostly just a gut punch because we had been playing so well, were finally ranked in the top 20 again and I WANTED to believe we were back ... I also drove down and attended this one, bringing Mrs. Fighter to her first-ever basketball game in Champaign! However, the fact is I simply wasn't accustomed to us being good again, and it served as more of a "reality check" that we wouldn't be winning the Big Ten than anything else. All things considered, pretty easy to move on from.

2020-21
Maryland 66, #12 Illinois 63 in Champaign, IL:
There wasn't quite a "Maryland narrative" yet, and I honestly took this loss as I did the USC one from last weekend ... a fluke that, while incredibly disappointing, could be overcome with big wins down the road (as it obviously was). However, at the time it seemed like confirmation that we certainly weren't top 10 material.

#17 Loyola 71, # 2 Illinois 58 in the Second Round: I don't need to get into this one, but I truly felt we were going to win it all. Even though this one caused some SERIOUS depression, I was overall happy with how high the program had risen in such a quick period of time, and I was excited for the next season even if we lost Ayo. I also could live with the "upsets happen" narrative, knowing we'd be back in the NCAAT in future years with high seeds and chances for a run.

2021-22
Maryland 81, #17 Illinois 65 in College Park, MD:
Notice a pattern yet?! This one really shook me after we had just taken #4 Purdue to 2OT four days earlier. Even without Kofi, we simply should not have been dominated like that. With that said, Kofi was SUCH a huge part of that team and it was on the road ... it was possible to rationalize past this one.

2022-23
Northwestern 73, Illinois 60 in Evanston, IL:
I'm sure many would put the blowout loss at home to PSU earlier in December, but I honestly saw that as a random fluke ala the Maryland 2021 loss described above and the USC loss this year. Even the absolute blowout loss vs. Mizzou in St. Louis (which I also attended...) could be chalked up to the rivalry and them wanting revenge for the embarrassing loss the year before. But this LIFELESS performance at Northwestern after the rumors of locker room trouble and Skyy Clark dipping on the team just two days later ... man, this was just the signal that we were never going to have the consistency to do anything big that year, at least to me. However, I don't think I quite had that high of expectations for this squad after the PSU and Mizzou losses ... I had come to terms with the fact that we were one of those high ceiling/low floor #7-10 seed squads, and I could live with that knowing that we might really have a chance to be good in 2023-24.

Penn State 79, Illinois 76 in the BTT at the United Center: This is when whatever hope I had left for this team vanished. To lose a third straight game to PSU in front of what was a home crowd just showed kind of what we were made of mentally. I attended this one, and it made me sick. But again ... by this point, I had no delusions that we were some Final Four threat.

2023-24
Maryland 76, #10 Illinois 67 in Champaign, IL:
Frickin' Maryland. By this point, I had just accepted that we would almost always lose to Maryland, and we were without TSJ. IIRC, this was right around the time that insiders were both giving us hope that he MIGHT be able to return and providing anecdotal support for his innocence ... so it wasn't too hard to craft a narrative in my head of optimism.

Penn State 90, #12 Illinois 89 in State College, PA: I can honestly say I thought we pissed our chance at a top 3 seed away right on this day. We dropped to 19-7 after this loss, and I felt another Second Round loss as a #4/5 seed coming ... my hopes were reduced to hoping Purdue could stub its toe enough that we could claim back-to-back Big Ten Championships. Luckily, this squad was mentally tough and had great chemistry, so we found a way to close out a special season strong.

2024-25
USC 82, #13 Illinois 72 in Champaign, IL:
I can honestly say no loss this season, no matter how frustrating, WORRIED me until the USC one. However, I only got to watch the first half on a plane (on our way to Belize, and the game stopped working when we left US air space), and I was trying to focus on vacation. With how much fun we were having, before I knew it we were kicking Indiana's !!! in Bloomington, and I thought all was well. "Young teams mess up!"

Maryland 90, #17 Illinois in Champaign, IL: I have never had my expectations for one Illini team fall so much from one loss, if I am being honest. In the past, my expectations either weren't that high to begin with or the loss could be rationalized in a away that allowed me to move forward with optimism. While I still like this group and will tune in every game, last night I came to believe that we are not tough, we are not disciplined, we are not in sync and we currently lack the consistency to do jack shlt in March. :(

I really, REALLY hope I am wrong, and my two points for optimism hold true.
 
#428      
To a certain extent you're right of course, but then why do you bother posting on this board at all? You typed an almost 200-word response of excuses for last night's game - why do that? Why even bother reading my post that you were responding to? Why do any of us do any of this?
Gentleman, please, I am just trying to keep hope alive. We have two competent starters on this team, Kasparas and Tomi, who have missed extended minutes in the last five games. Kasparas has played in 72 of the last 200 minutes of game time. Tomi has played about ninety minutes in that same 200 minutes of game time. Kasparas has missed 2 complete games and 31 minutes of a third. Tomi has missed a complete game in that same timeframe. I remember '89 when Gill missed 12 games. That was one starter. We lost four of those games.
 
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#430      
We're all sickos.
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#431      
Ya, Morez's first chance to shine was underwhelming to say the least. It certainly doesn't help his argument that he should be starting. When we needed him the most, he played his worst game of the season IMO...
 
#432      
That wasn't really a secret. I think if you asked our coaching staff they would say their goal is to force the other team into midrange Js (obviously not the easy buckets in the paint that we were giving up hand over fist last night).

This is going to sound like excuse-making and I swear it's not but that was just the worst possible game for Ivisic to miss - it prevented us from getting anywhere close to what we wanted to do on either end of the floor.
Honestly I was less mad yesterday than after the NU or USC games. All about expectations, after I heard Tomi was out and saw the betting line falling, I was almost sure we would lose.

I still let out a few yells, especially at the layup misses and the sloppy ballhandling, but by the end my heart wasn't in it. Disappointing on so many levels.

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#434      
Honestly I was less mad yesterday than after the NU or USC games. All about expectations, after I heard Tomi was out and saw the betting line falling, I was almost sure we would lose.

I still let out a few yells, especially at the layup misses and the sloppy ballhandling, but by the end my heart wasn't in it. Disappointing on so many levels.

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Yeah, the TOs were really bad and had nothing to do with Tomi - not just sloppy in and of themselves, but often at the worst possible time.
 
#436      
No, we are not sickos. We are just people who care. The season is far from over. To me I see opportunities to get better. It seems that too many of us are just letting their worries get in the way of enjoying a team that can still surprise. The book on this season is yet to be written. Relax! Let it play out.
Ok so caring is good, as long as we care optimistically. Caring to the extent we are worried about how things are playing out is bad. Very bad. Never do that. Thank you for clarifying. I will try to be a good boy and obey this edict.

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#437      
Ok so caring is good, as long as we care optimistically. Caring to the extent we are worried about how things are playing out is bad. Very bad. Never do that. Thank you for clarifying. I will try to be a good boy and obey this edict.

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I have never said anything is bad. Don't put words in my mouth. Tennessee got beat by 30 points just a few games ago. Is Tennessee just a trash team? Hell no they're not. Vet your concerns as you like. But don't expect that there will not be pushback.
 
#439      
Let’s not go that far… Morez has had an outstanding freshman season. Will Riley has had some great moments, but yes, we need more from him. Jake Davis is a role player. Tonight he had to guard Julian Reese and Derek Queen because we have 2 bigs on our roster. I don’t know what you want him to do. If I’m gonna blame our bench in any capacity, it’s the fact that we don’t have a third option at the 5.
Two bigs on the roster is the key point. Your comment is spot on. By the way Willard took an immediate timeout in the 1st half after one of his bigs clanked a 3 pointer to tell his team to go inside. I do not believe MD made a three until sometime well into the second half.
 
#441      
The word is out. When you play Illinois DRIVE THE OPEN FREEWAY TO THE BASKET ALL NIGHT LONG. THEY HAVE NO ANSWERS. PRESUURE THE GUARDS THEY ARE POOR BALL HANDLERS!
 
#442      
Defensively, Humrichhous and Booth were giving up 6 (?) inches to Reece and maybe 30-40#, and everyone was giving up 40-50# to Queen.
As listed today on the Maryland's official website:
Queen 6'10, 246
Reece 6'9, 252

Listed on our official website:
Humrichhous 6'9, 225
M. Johnson 6'9, 255
Booth 6'10, 205

Our squad on the floor may not be able to reliably make threes, but the excuse game of our fans is second to none! (Or maybe converting from ever-inscrutable English units to metric ones, in Italy, is the specific issue here.)
 
#443      
Ty Rodgers......????
Ty is transferring. Why would the team rally around a guy that is just going through the motions. Im sure the other transfer is Booth. Makes the most sense. Hopefully that is it other than KJ. Pick up Tomi's brother and one other and we are back at it next year lol.
 
#444      
Ty is transferring. Why would the team rally around a guy that is just going through the motions. Im sure the other transfer is Booth. Makes the most sense. Hopefully that is it other than KJ. Pick up Tomi's brother and one other and we are back at it next year lol.
I think next year's team BADLY needs a couple really good three-point shooters. Like, badly.
 
#445      
I’ll say it.

I don’t see how KJ is a top 5 pick while TSJ sits in the G-League.

Age, potential, sure…I get that. But one guy was a dog / competitor and the other is very laissez faire all too often.
This statement is hilarious. For one, we have at least 3-5 more losses without him. For another, who's really the guy(s) you're taking above him at this point???
 
#446      
I have never said anything is bad. Don't put words in my mouth. Tennessee got beat by 30 points just a few games ago. Is Tennessee just a trash team? Hell no they're not. Vet your concerns as you like. But don't expect that there will not be pushback.
Pushback is fine, I dish it out myself and am willing to take it too. Kind of an important feature of a message board. But it's not really pushback in the sense you're making cogent arguments about why I'm wrong. You're just kind of trying to police how people interact with their fandom, which seems kind of lame to be honest.

Mostly, I'm just confused with why you seem to have a problem with me specifically. Six posts today and every single one of them is a response to me. Someone else said we were all sickos and you chose to quote my jokey gif instead of the person that actually said it.

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#447      
Pushback is fine, I dish it out myself and am willing to take it too. Kind of an important feature of a message board. But it's not really pushback in the sense you're making cogent arguments about why I'm wrong. You're just kind of trying to police how people interact with their fandom, which seems kind of lame to be honest.
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#448      
It seems that we are trying to play an NBA style offense. But, to do that successfully, it relies on having the shooters to make it work. We have 649 2 point shots and scored 724 points off them, for a 1.16 production per possession. On 3s, we have shot 588 times and scored 567 points, for a .96 production per possession. I realize that shooting 3s open up the inside, and that helps our 2 point production. But, it takes being selective on 3s, and not setting a goal of 30 3s a game. Other teams seem to take what we give them, but we tend to chuck 3s with no regard to whether they are good shots. .2 points per possession extra from 2s is not an insignificant difference.
 
#449      
It seems that we are trying to play an NBA style offense. But, to do that successfully, it relies on having the shooters to make it work. We have 649 2 point shots and scored 724 points off them, for a 1.16 production per possession. On 3s, we have shot 588 times and scored 567 points, for a .96 production per possession. I realize that shooting 3s open up the inside, and that helps our 2 point production. But, it takes being selective on 3s, and not setting a goal of 30 3s a game. Other teams seem to take what we give them, but we tend to chuck 3s with no regard to whether they are good shots. .2 points per possession extra from 2s is not an insignificant difference.
We are not good at shooting 3s. Boswell shot 39% and 38% at Arizona, he's currently shooting 26%. That's really bad. I don't know if he has to adjust to added strength, or if simply we don't run a good offense. Humrichous is shooting 36%. If anyone thought he was going to shoot 44% like he did in the Missouri Valley, you were deluding yourself.

2 of our top 3 3pt shooters are our 4 and 5. That feels like a problem to me. We've got 3 guys getting at least 17 mpg shooting under 30%. That's very bad. And they've combined for about 200 attempts.

This team is not a good shooting team. We are winning based on rebounding.
 
#450      
Gentleman, please, I am just trying to keep hope alive. We have two competent starters on this team, Kasparas and Tomi, who have missed extended minutes in the last five games. Kasparas has played in 72 of the last 200 minutes of game time. Tomi has played about ninety minutes in that same 200 minutes of game time. Kasparas has missed 2 complete games and 31 minutes of a third. Tomi has missed a complete game in that same timeframe. I remember '89 when Gill missed 12 games. That was one starter. We lost four of those games.
I agree and I'll go a step further. I believe many are brushing off players being sick. When they are sick they miss practices or can not practice at full speed.
From what I understand Tomi and Tre have been sick and have missed practices. Maybe Wil also.

I'll use Tre as an example as to the effect of being ill. The last few games he's just not looked the same. A lack of energy.
prior to the last 3 games: FG's 61-115. In those games his worst FG shooting games were a 1-4, 3-7 and a 3-12.
FT's prior to the last 3 games: 50-56 during that stretch he had one game where he missed 2.

last 3 games: from the field: 6-21 and from the line 4-8.
Maybe he's hit a cold streak or maybe he's been sick..

so.......
 

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