Michigan 13, Western Michigan 12

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Roundball Sage
Scoregasm said:
I wonder if it were reversed and WMU threw the hail mary..... would they receive another play? I didn't have to wonder long....
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I didn’t have to wonder very long either. In fact, I thought of that immediately after the shocking theft on the field occurred.

But after some sober and calm reflection... perhaps we’ve all been too hard on the Refs and Game Officials!

In fact, may they sincerely enjoy all their new clothes and gift cards and cars and the new upscale neighborhoods they’ll all be moving to.

It’s only ‘Fair’, right? "Peace In Our... ’Time’."
 
#302      
Retro62
I'm watching the Apple Cup game, and at halftime, they explained that the BIG refs had the official time and that they showed video evidence that there was one second left on the clock when the WMU player toughed the ball. However, the player was also in the air, not out of bounds, and a deflection could have been caught for a score--so why does that stop the clock?

Also, all they showed was a computer shot of a clock that still had one second. Does anyone in their right mind not think they could have just created that shot of the clock to save their a**es after an obviously egregious act? Even if the clock we saw was tenths of a second off, the clock read 0:00 when the ball was in the air under the goal post--any tenths would have elapsed prior to the ball being touched or going out of bounds. It reeks of a BIG cover-up.
 
#303      
JSpence
Retro62 said:
I'm watching the Apple Cup game, and at halftime, they explained that the BIG refs had the official time and that they showed video evidence that there was one second left on the clock when the WMU player toughed the ball. However, the player was also in the air, not out of bounds, and a deflection could have been caught for a score--so why does that stop the clock?

Also, all they showed was a computer shot of a clock that still had one second. Does anyone in their right mind not think they could have just created that shot of the clock to save their a**es after an obviously egregious act? Even if the clock we saw was tenths of a second off, the clock read 0:00 when the ball was in the air under the goal post--any tenths would have elapsed prior to the ball being touched or going out of bounds. It reeks of a BIG cover-up.
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He went out of bounds without being forced out. He then jumped. He's an out-of-bounds piece of furniture, so the ball is dead as soon as it touches him.
 
#304      
Thaillini22
Throughout an entire game, after every dead ball, does the official clock get revised up to the previous second if, at the start of the play just ended, the clock had ticked down to the next second in less than a full second? If not, then the last play of the game should not be afforded this consideration.
 
#305      
SampsonRelpenk
Retro62 said:
I'm watching the Apple Cup game, and at halftime, they explained that the BIG refs had the official time and that they showed video evidence that there was one second left on the clock when the WMU player toughed the ball. However, the player was also in the air, not out of bounds, and a deflection could have been caught for a score--so why does that stop the clock?
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I’m also puzzled by that. Wouldn’t that be a penalty for “illegal touching” instead of an automatic clock stoppage, or is that only an offensive penalty?
 
#306      
Route47
AutoPoster 3000 said:
That’s not right though. If the clock is set to 9 seconds, it should display 0:09 for one full second after it is started before dropping to 0:08.

Clock set at 0:09
Ball snapped, clock starts
0.00 to 0.09 seconds elapsed —> clock displays “0:09”
1.00 to 1.09 seconds elapsed —> clock displays “0:08”
2.00 to 2.09 —> “0.07”
3.00 to 3.09 —> “0.06”
4.00 to 4.09 —> “0:05”
5.00 to 5.09 —> “0:04”
6.00 to 6.09 —> “0:03”
7.00 to 7.09 —> “0:02”
8.00 to 8.09 —> “0:01”
9:00—————> “0:00”

The play lasted 8.5 seconds from snap to WMU player touching the ball. By that math, at exactly 8.5 seconds elapsed, the clock should have still been displaying “0:01”. Which would mean one second remaining

This was my argument from before that the “evidence” suggests that a tech in the NBC control booth took one feed of a camera pointed at the scoreboard and split screened that with the main feed but for whatever technical reason the main feed was going to screen about a half or three quarters of a second behind the clock feed. The math would support that conclusion.
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I got ya. So the ball was touched at .5 seconds and they are saying the clock should have still read 1 second once the ball was touched. My question still stands 9 seconds is 9 seconds. So was the scoreboard clock started too early?
 
#307      
Retro62
JSpence said:
He went out of bounds without being forced out. He then jumped. He's an out-of-bounds piece of furniture, so the ball is dead as soon as it touches him.
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Okay, but the clock still went to 0:00 before he touched it.
 
#308      
STLflyinIllini
Besides the terrible call and screwing over of WMU, the other thing I took away from watching this game is that there's an alternate universe where Jyaire Hill and Matt Bailey are both safeties for the Illini. That would be ridiculous
 
#309      
JSpence
Retro62 said:
Okay, but the clock still went to 0:00 before he touched it.
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Yeah, dude, that's the WHOLE discussion. The clocks on the screen were not accurate.

SampsonRelpenk said:
I’m also puzzled by that. Wouldn’t that be a penalty for “illegal touching” instead of an automatic clock stoppage, or is that only an offensive penalty?
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I think it was? They might not call it a penalty per se if it's on the defense. Still, a penalty or out of bounds stops the clock and a game can't end on a defensive penalty, yadda yadda.
 
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sbillini
Retro62 said:
Okay, but the clock still went to 0:00 before he touched it.
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According to wmu itself, what they showed to fans was not the official clock. Apparently the official clock still had 1 on it when he touched it. Why there’s a different clock between what the fans saw and what is actually used I’m still not sure, but it seems to be the case that there is.
 
#311      
sbillini
Thaillini22 said:
Throughout an entire game, after every dead ball, does the official clock get revised up to the previous second if, at the start of the play just ended, the clock had ticked down to the next second in less than a full second? If not, then the last play of the game should not be afforded this consideration.
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I don’t know if after every play it gets revised up. But it wouldn’t matter here because the clock was officially set to 9 seconds by the referee after the previous play. So there was offficallt 9.00 seconds on the clock when the play began and no revising needed to be done
 
#312      
Calvin
PasadenaIllini said:
No way that'll happen. WMU need the money they get from playing that game at the Big House.
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I'm not big on conspiracies, but follow the money? Absolutely. I imagine the payout for WMU is well worth the aggravation of this game, and they stand to gain more from letting this one go.

I don't know if the officials got it right, but the WMU athletes deserved better.
 
#313      
Thaillini22
sbillini said:
I don’t know if after every play it gets revised up. But it wouldn’t matter here because the clock was officially set to 9 seconds by the referee after the previous play. So there was offficallt 9.00 seconds on the clock when the play began and no revising needed to be done
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Yes, no revision needed to be done if there were no similar revisions happening throughout the game. My post is in response to those observing that the clock went from 9 to 8 in less than a second. I'm suggesting that is irrelevant. The clock clearly struck zero before the play ended, so, game over.
 
#314      
Thaillini22
Calvin said:
I'm not big on conspiracies, but follow the money? Absolutely. I imagine the payout for WMU is well worth the aggravation of this game, and they stand to gain more from letting this one go.

I don't know if the officials got it right, but the WMU athletes deserved better.
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Why is it assumed that if they contested the result they wouldn't be paid. Is that stipulated in these contracts (not a rhetorical question)?
 
#315      
sbillini
Thaillini22 said:
Yes, no revision needed to be done if there were no similar revisions happening throughout the game. My post is in response to those observing that the clock went from 9 to 8 in less than a second. I'm suggesting that is irrelevant. The clock clearly struck zero before the play ended, so, game over.
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Put all the other questions around viewer clock vs. stadium clock vs. replay clock aside for a second and let's assume all those are synced perfectly and no questions there. Then going from 9 to 8 in less than a second is absolutely relevant. It's apparently been measured by multiple people that the play took right around 8.5 seconds (timed independently from the clocks in the game). So if michigan got 9 seconds or less than 9 seconds to run that play makes a huge difference to decide whether there was any time left at the end of that play.

But, ultimately, that question is secondary to the question on clock syncing because apparently there are multiple clocks used and not all area synced properly.
 
#316      
Thaillini22
sbillini said:
Put all the other questions around viewer clock vs. stadium clock vs. replay clock aside for a second and let's assume all those are synced perfectly and no questions there. Then going from 9 to 8 in less than a second is absolutely relevant. It's apparently been measured by multiple people that the play took right around 8.5 seconds (timed independently from the clocks in the game). So if michigan got 9 seconds or less than 9 seconds to run that play makes a huge difference to decide whether there was any time left at the end of that play.

But, ultimately, that question is secondary to the question on clock syncing because apparently there are multiple clocks used and not all area synced properly.
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I think we may be talking past each other. If it is relevant on the last play, why isn't it relevant on the other X number of plays that start from a dead ball where the clock did the same thing?
 
#317      
LFOD
sbillini said:
Put all the other questions around viewer clock vs. stadium clock vs. replay clock aside for a second and let's assume all those are synced perfectly and no questions there. Then going from 9 to 8 in less than a second is absolutely relevant. It's apparently been measured by multiple people that the play took right around 8.5 seconds (timed independently from the clocks in the game). So if michigan got 9 seconds or less than 9 seconds to run that play makes a huge difference to decide whether there was any time left at the end of that play.

But, ultimately, that question is secondary to the question on clock syncing because apparently there are multiple clocks used and not all area synced properly.
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When one finds himself in the Michigan apologist seat, it may be time for self reflection. It may feel edgy and satisfying, but is it worth the endorphins?
 
#318      
BretMyBeachHouse
Isn't it obvious that the players on the field are relying on the clock on the field? That should be official. When it hits zero the game is over. It hit zero before the play ended.
 
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