Michigan 19, Illinois 17 Postgame

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the national

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TheChief4Life said:
I believe the rule is not just “in contact with the ground”, but rather “in possession and in contact with the ground”. If you watch the play, even in slow-Mo, he clearly doesn’t have possession when he is in contact with the ground and ball at the same time. The image is misleading.

I’ll probably get flack for this, but I thought the reffing was perfect for what the Illini needed. The biggest issue was the sudden call of PI that hadn’t been getting called all game. That 4th down play was also inexcusable. Unfortunately, those two calls were right at the end, and were at a critical part of the game. But overall, and taken as a whole, it was one of the least frustrated I’ve been at refs all season.
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I will agree that I wasn’t as floored by the calls made here as I was in the Purdue game (that INT turned PI happened right in front of me in the stadium). But come crunch time, on that last drive, 3 critical mistakes occurred by this officiating crew that completely changed the outcome of this game. (The fumbled snap - which I thought he possessed with a knee down, the pick play and the PI call).

Watching the halftime of the Utah-Oregon game last night, they talked about the PI call. Their consensus was that it was a very weak call and should have been a no-call. Those were PAC12 guys so take it for what it’s worth.
 
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TheChief4Life said:
Maybe I’ve already blocked the game out, But what are the three calls were talking about? I know the PI call and the pick play call, but what’s the third?
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There were 4 plays in last 3 minutes (I think officials technically got two of them right, but they weren't called all game):
1) Holding on 3rd down on Illini drive to take from 4th and less than 1 to 3rd and long. It was a hold but I do not think it changed play much at all
2) 4th down missed call on Mich. Inexcusable error.
3) PI call next play. Did not call same play on Mich a few drives earlier.
4) Trapped catch. I could honestly go either way on this one. It was a completion on field, so it is hard to overturn, though I do believe it was incomplete.

I think 1 and 3 were technically correct calls, but how you miss 2 is mind boggling and why all Illini fans should be unhappy with officials. All four calls went the way of Michigan.
 
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FloridaMan

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TheChief4Life said:
Maybe I’ve already blocked the game out, But what are the three calls were talking about? I know the PI call and the pick play call, but what’s the third?
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The possible downed QB that would have resulted in 4th down and long field goal attempt (maybe, or they would have been forced to go for it) instead of a completion and subsequent field goal? Or the clear incompletion that was ruled a catch?
 
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TheChief4Life

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Ooooh yeah, forgot about the incomplete catch that was ruled a catch. That one is absolutely hard for me to explain.

But, everyone needs to understand the QB wasn’t down. That was the correct call.

Be pissed about the PI and the pick play (and to a lesser degree the incomplete catch ruled complete, although that one doesn’t change the outcome likely). But, the fumble recovery/QB not being down was likely the right call.
 
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Dkayak

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TheChief4Life said:
Ooooh yeah, forgot about the incomplete catch that was ruled a catch. That one is absolutely hard for me to explain.

But, everyone needs to understand the QB wasn’t down. That was the correct call.

Be pissed about the PI and the pick play (and to a lesser degree the incomplete catch ruled complete, although that one doesn’t change the outcome likely). But, the fumble recovery/QB not being down was likely the right call.
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Regardless of its effect on the outcome, that “catch” was reviewed and upheld. Show it to 1000 people and 1000 will agree it was incomplete. So tell me please, why should the “professional” reviewer not be fired? I’m serious. He is either incompetent or crooked? Is there a possible third explanation?
 
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illini80

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I’m still sick about the game. However, I have to say our offensive line has to get to the point we can make that 1 cruicial first down late in the game to put it away. It feels like forever since we’ve had that ability to lock things down. I didn’t like the play calls either, but if they are executed we win. Regardless of all the other crap. We win. You absolutely have to be able to get 1 first down in that situation. We just don’t quite have enough there yet. I’m hoping in another 2 years we have those big bodies ready to steam roll defenses late in the game.
 
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illiram11

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It has been almost 24 hours. I gave myself 24 hours to be pissed off, go at it with Michigan fans on social media, watch that 4th and 3 play literally about 50 times, get Chinese food for dinner when I'm on a diet, etc. Barring a terrible end to the season, we will be 8-4. To be disappointed with 8-4 means that we are back, and that so much went right.

I love our coach, our assistant coaches, our AD, and especially our players. Do I always agree with them and the play calling? Absolutely not. There is room for improvement across the board. As we look to the future, our schedule looks very favorable in 2023. A fire has been lit inside Bret Bielema, and he is going to bring the recruits, bring the hammer, bring us wins, and sign a long term contract. This is home for the Bielemas now.

This is just the start of a run we have all been wanting since we have all been alive. Illinois has simply not won consistently over the last 50 years with any coach here, but that is about to change.

Let's finish strong with a big win vs Northwestern, and let's play hard and get a well needed bowl win (would love to get an SEC team so that we can whip their arse).
 
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Post Game Win Expectancy was 63% for Illinois.

Which just adds more salt to the wound.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1594312791565152256

If you’re unfamiliar with this metric, it basically means if you took the stats of the game (not the score obviously) and played it 100 times (with everything happening in random order but the stats ending up the same as reality) Illinois wins 63% of the time.

THAT’S why BB is so frustrated. His players and coaches DID do enough to win the game. It was Michigan who needed a few plays to break their way and a few calls to go their way to overcome the fact that they only win that game 1/3 of the time.

And they got it.
 
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lexwaldez

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Roundball Sage said:
They say in Life there are only two things you can count on... death and taxes.

Well, there’s a third thing. A football team with a lead of less than 3 points as the game is closing down gets the ball and plays scared and runs the ball into the line for 3 plays for almost no gain. Then they punt. Then the other team always marches down the field and wins the game at the end.

What is it with so many football coaches that they don’t see this? With all the film they have and all the metrics and they STILL do the same thing of playing ‘safe’ and insuring defeat.

Make a first down and you win. How hard is that? Because if you don’t throw the ball to get that first down (since the D expects you to run, run, run!) you are guaranteed to LOSE. And if you turn it over? So what? If you don't make that first down you're going to lose anyway.

The Illini program could have rocked the football World today. There was a tremor. But you don’t rock anything if you play scared.
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You said what I'm thinking a lot better than me. I know Coach B believes in his D and thought he was playing the odds but I'm with you. You play to win. You believe in your QB. You hit 'em where they ain't. They sell out the run so you hit a quick 7 yard pass. One first down, you bleed their timeouts and you win the game. Zero first downs, our punter gives them the ball mid field and then they need like two first down for a chip shot and the game. I saw that all coming when we had the ball 1st and ten because we've all seen teams, college and pro, throw games away like that. I didn't expect a win, but to play so well and just toss the win away like that was frustrating as hell. It's like we did the only thing possible to get our hopes up and then dash them on the rocks. Hilarious/sick joke. And then I do some deep breathing, think about our UCLA win in Vegas and have a little chuckle. Let's just mercilessly KRUSH Northwestern's kitty kats and it will all be fine (and let's learn from this and not repeat it again next year).
 
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pruman91

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Rap47 said:
The pick play is a topic on Fox news internet headlines today. Kevin Warren should have some explaining if something isn't done about the officiating in Michigan's last drive. Four questionable calls.
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All 3 on the B1G show stated it was a penalty that should have been called...........................Dave Revsine , Gerry DiNardo and the young dude from I believe osu..............................................
 
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kyillinifan

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I am sure this has been hashed over about the pick play. What is the actual rule or definition concerning a pick play. The tight end engages past the line of scrimmage. Make no attempt as a pass receiver. When the receiver catches the ball he is beyond the line scrimmage. What makes it a pick or opi?
 
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Mr. Roberts

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pruman91 said:
All 3 on the B1G show stated it was a penalty that should have been called...........................Dave Revsine , Gerry DiNardo and the young dude from I believe osu..............................................
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Howard Griffith picked a good weekend to miss the show (for job security). He is generally the most critical of the big ten refs.
 
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Dkayak said:
Regardless of its effect on the outcome, that “catch” was reviewed and upheld. Show it to 1000 people and 1000 will agree it was incomplete. So tell me please, why should the “professional” reviewer not be fired? I’m serious. He is either incompetent or crooked? Is there a possible third explanation?
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pruman91

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Illini-Rule said:
I don't disagree, but Kevin Warren is not going to do anything.
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hey harbaugh , tell your boys to get their $hit together , cause I can't keep baling you out like yesterday............The film don't lie and the refs and review officials are wanting more $$$$..........Got it ??....................................Way too many headlines today about those 4 disputed calls and I can only do so much.....

Tunnelgate and now refcheatgate.........Too many gates ..........................
 
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pruman91

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kyillinifan said:
I am sure this has been hashed over about the pick play. What is the actual rule or definition concerning a pick play. The tight end engages past the line of scrimmage. Make no attempt as a pass receiver. When the receiver catches the ball he is beyond the line scrimmage. What makes it a pick or opi?
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A receiver can not block before the pass is thrown.....line of scrimmage maybe has something to do with it , but I'm too pissed off to look it up..........
 
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jjniner

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Can someone shoot video of the catch(or lack there of) we are talking about and the Illinois catch that was ruled incomp vs Indiana?
 
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aaeismacgychel

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kyillinifan said:
I am sure this has been hashed over about the pick play. What is the actual rule or definition concerning a pick play. The tight end engages past the line of scrimmage. Make no attempt as a pass receiver. When the receiver catches the ball he is beyond the line scrimmage. What makes it a pick or opi?
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I'm fairly certain the rule is you can't block more than 1yd past the line of scrimmage on a forward passing play as a wideout prior to the pass. And in fact a couple years back there was added initiative to have refs focus on these types of illegal pick plays.

During the game thread I was livid about them not throwing a flag there. It was so clear and obvious live when I posted it was pick play, and when they showed the replay it was even worse. That play is consistently called a penalty, especially when it occurs right in front of the official staring at it the whole way.

In general the refs called the game consistently (not well, but consistent), but in the final few minutes of both halves, every single call went Michigan's way and those calls were inconsistent with how the rest of the game was called. And that's why it's infuriating. Because it looks like the fix was in. And let's be honest, the visuals on this are not good at all either as the B10 benefits greatly by Michigan winning this game as they have a very good chance of getting 2 teams in the CFP, but that doesn't happen with a Michigan loss. But to be clear, we shouldn't expect to get any close calls in the Big House- it's basically been that way my entire life. It's like expecting a fairly called game against the Hoosiers in Bloomington. Ain't ever going to happen.