It is absolutely time for a change, end of discussion. One NCAA in five years, inability to get a true point guard in the system until year five. Maybe not top 10 talent, but decent enough talent with Hill, Black, Williams, Coleman-Lands, Morgan, Finke, Nichols and Lucas, along with Abrams back and having some really good moments early and late. I don't want a bunch of excuses or reasons to keep bringing him back like we saw with Weber or the program will sink even lower than it is. Heck, I would be happy with an unproven assistant in Roger Powell before bring a proven underachiever back in Groce. Next, please.