Michigan 84, Illinois 70 Postgame

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#203      
Can we please put the "best Kenpom offense" talk to rest? Can we please stop trying to clown on posters who express concerns about this team after the close losses?

Totally outclassed and out toughed on our home floor. The Krush did their part. The team and staff did not do theirs.

Better hope we get a favorable tournament draw and a couple upsets of higher seeded teams. Even with that, we may not be a second weekend team. Disappointment once again.
+10. We all have to be realistic. I still think this team gets to the S16, and see how they fare against their potential opponent.
 
#204      
That’s why I said Tre White type … This year … Rebounds the piss out of it … Shoots it at a good clip … Athletic … Can guard …

Any veteran guard is what we needed … And honestly I’m not sure it’s DGL … I’m thinking more Feliz type … In your face on defense , every loose ball is his, great teammate … Can hit shots … Tough as 💩

I don’t think Brad was ever gonna believe in DGL. He seems to hate small guards. Which makes the pursuit of Petro all the more puzzling
 
#205      
That’s why I said Tre White type … This year … Rebounds the piss out of it … Shoots it at a good clip … Athletic … Can guard …

Any veteran guard is what we needed … And honestly I’m not sure it’s DGL … I’m thinking more Feliz type … In your face on defense , every loose ball is his, great teammate … Can hit shots … Tough as 💩
The Tre White vs Andrej conversation seems inevitable. I agree those types of guys don’t grow on trees. And we had one and couldn’t keep him. Would be interesting to know what we paid him vs Andrej.

However, Tre did get in the doghouse last year and it seemed like an attitude issue, and then the rumor was he was demanding a bigger role. We brought Andrej to be an alpha scorer and that hasn’t really worked out but I don’t think Tre would’ve excelled in that role either. And who knows what kind of attitude Tre would have had once we handed the ball to Keaton.

Two quick last thoughts on Andrej: 1. It’s interesting that he was an exception to Brad’s rule these days to try and get shooters and skilled ball players and teach them everything else and 2. I do think if we can get Andrej for a second year he can take a leap and my comp is Ben. Tonight notwithstanding, Ben has been on a different world from a toughness EDG perspective this year. It Andrej can take a “toughness leap” like Ben he can be first team all BIG good.
 
#206      

Embarassing for us, but Morez earned it tonight. Dude is a motor.
team america vomit GIF
 
#207      
Andrej Stojakovic played 12 minutes and barely did anything at all, let alone score a point.
I personally think he'll be with a 4th team next year. Not sure he's worth the money, tbh.
 
#208      
IMO … Two simple tweaks get us there …

Tre White type over AS …

Proven veteran guard over Petro …
Keep Tre, keep Morez, pass on one of the Ivesics and keep Gibbs-lawhorn. A three guard rotation of Wagler, Boswell and DGL would have been very good. We win the Big 10 this year.
 
#209      
Bad news - We rely on the three to win
Bad news - 9/29 won't get it done
Good news - This team is capable of a 16/35 night, which wins this game.

It's who we are. Let's hope for some hot shooting coming down the stretch.
 
#211      
I am sick and tired of the analytics BS …

THE only way we get looks inside is back downs … Booty ball … Domask style …

We have ZERO set plays to get a dang look inside !!!!!!!!!

What are the out of bounds/inbounds plays ???

DO WE RUN ANY PLAYS ?!?!??!??!

Infuriating !!!!! 50 f’ing coaches on this staff … We are paying them MILLIONS … And not a gosh dang ONE of them can draw up an f’ing play ???

UNACCEPTABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!
5 out is only great if you are making shots. This team is ice cold. When you put all your eggs in one basket like underwood has with this offense, that’s the result. They aren’t changing anything and are clueless when the ball doesn’t go in. Just like last years team.
 
#213      
I am sick and tired of the analytics BS …

THE only way we get looks inside is back downs … Booty ball … Domask style …

We have ZERO set plays to get a dang look inside !!!!!!!!!

What are the out of bounds/inbounds plays ???

DO WE RUN ANY PLAYS ?!?!??!??!

Infuriating !!!!! 50 f’ing coaches on this staff … We are paying them MILLIONS … And not a gosh dang ONE of them can draw up an f’ing play ???

UNACCEPTABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!
Been watching this team for three decades. The level of my fandom is only comparable to da Bears. You are exactly right. When adjustments have to be made, the Underwood regime has failed. Period.
 
#215      
Michigan came into our gym and punked us. Their front line straight up bullied, toyed with and outclassed our entire front line from beginning to end. They knocked us down middle of the 2nd half and we never got back up or tried to get back up.
 
#216      
I think we need a front line player that can score down low when you need a big basket
Id hope Mirk can develop more consistently into that.

Michigan Frontline is the best in America. Bringing back iv Bros & Mirk will be one of the best in America. It's just not anywhere as good as what Michigan currently has. Yaxel & Morez will be off to NBA after this season IMO.....Mara could be as well (I could see him returning to develop his low post game a bit more and gain more strength). All 3 are undeniably IMO 1st round NBA picks
 
#217      
I honestly have no true beef with Morez.. Kid earned playing time last year- was losing it to Ben, who he was outplaying. Transferred to a better team and got paid doing it. Good for him- Bad on the staff.

I'm honestly shocked at all the homers that are acting like this is fine.. I guess I just need to become an apathetic basketball fan and accept good... We just got absolutely waxed by Michigan- not one moment in that game did it feel like had a chance or were even on par with them.

What are we even going to be next year? No Wagler, no Boswell, no Ben.. Mirk is great, Jake is nice

Tomi and Big Z play like 6'2 guards... Andrej turtles when the lights get bright- Just another complete rebuild
 
#218      
I'm not going to take anything away from scUM. Morez punked us so hard...and Yaxel put his chest into Wagler for 25 minutes...so kudos to their gameplan and execution.

If we meet them again we'll have to shoot 55%+ and play a full 40 minutes of all out defense to beat them on a neutral court.

Wagler and Mirk are unreal. Two freshman are outplaying everyone in our biggest games.
 
#219      
First of all, Michigan is fantastic. They do EVERYTHING at a championship level. Give them credit. They are 28-2 or whatever for a reason.

However, our competitive spirit, our fight, our effort, our passion wasn’t there all night. That bothers me a great deal.

Are there X and O things that need to be addressed? Absolutely. Effort is non-negotiable. Andrej and Tomi were embarrassing in the effort department tonight.
 
#220      
this team is going exactly as far as the chalk takes it and no further

so probably getting manhandled in the sweet 16 by a 1 or 2 seed
 
#221      
Our record the last couple weeks doesn’t reflect it …
That's the scary part for me. Sometimes, it's right in front of you, but no one sees it. We could be getting back to possible loss in R2 territory. Not there, yet, imo.
 
#222      
From some conversations I’ve had it’s like 60-70% less than we paid AS …
Plus you have Bill Self who seems to always find a way to be near unbeatable at home. He saw something in Tre that BU did not. Self is a great coach
 
#223      
The effort has always been there with Ben regardless of the performance. I don’t see that with Andrej. Hope he turns it up for the balance of the year and then enjoys a nice career finish somewhere else.

Bam - wake up buddy, you’ve got only 4 guaranteed games left in your college career. Time to play like it and showcase for any shot at the NBA / G league otherwise you’ll be moving to Europe with Petro playing in the same leagues.
 
#224      
From some conversations I’ve had it’s like 60-70% less than we paid AS …
While that sucks to hear, it was different years and different timing. Adjusted for NIL inflation, it's probably far from outrageous.
 
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