Michigan State 79, Illinois 65 Postgame

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#902      
CleverHandle1
You're a good man. And thank you for sharing what you do know and can share, while expressing your thoughts when you see issues within the program.

In other words, you are ONE of us! We are far from perfect, and you realize this.

Can you ask BU if he can schedule Kansas (or Duke) at the UC with the Warrior/Hoosier game next year? Is that doable?

I also feel Kansas should be on the schedule every year like Missouri. I could envision one year at Kemper Arena and the next year in Chicago. Let's do this!
 
#903      
TheodoreRex
Again, the common denominator with Brad is his stubbornness and arrogance... A player losing it on a coach in practice is a learning experience, not a banishment to the bench for good. A correctly coached and utilized Tre helps this team and Brad getting his feelings hurt in practice isn't reason enough for him to be punishing the team. Grow up, have the hard conversation, and move on Brad..
 
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Lincster27
What a humiliating night for the Illinois Basketball program. Good first half, epic screw up with TSJ's jersey ceremony (you had one job), and the meltdown on the floor. Love this team, but damn, could last night have been any worse?
 
#907      
Illini 993
From comments here and other sites, it sounds like Tre White not only didn't understand his role, but spoke out that he thinks the offensive scheme just isn't working. With Underwood's arrogance (on display clearly in recent post-games,) he could not accept a player challenging his wisdom. Pure speculation by me, but a comment by Tre on the O being run by Tyler as a problem would incense BU even more. I wish that the reporters were a little more dogged in pursuing this line of questioning about why Tre White isn't playing. BU surely wouldn't answer that honestly, because he knows that it would make him look petty.
I also think that all the comments on Loyalty about how nobody here knows anything compared to BU is looking pretty sketchy now. 30 threes a game is NOT working, we have no backup plan to shooting threes (although the team is clearly better scoring with 2 point shots,) and Ben has a role, but not a 30 minutes/game role on this team. We almost never take a timeout when it is needed. I agree that BU has known and forgotten more about basketball than I will ever know. But, some things are so basic that Loyalty, the fans, and increasingly the press are calling out our gameplan out as ridiculous. All this JMHO, but this just seems like a huge miss on what this season could have looked like. The worst thing, to me, is that we are getting worse as the season rolls along.
 
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doowink
Pikeillinifan said:
That was exactly what I saw too, Morez was on a roll and he was the first subbed out? I assumed he was gassed but still, made no sense to me. It almost seemed like they didn’t want to have him take over and they pulled him to change the game.
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What I thought was even worse was ...I believe Morez was subbed for less than 3 minutes into the 2nd half....barely time to get winded let alone gassed
 
#911      
Big Jack
OrangeAndBlueBlooded said:
Not saying Underwood didn't play any part in TSJ's improvement but I think the main factors were him getting Fletched (as you mentioned), his work ethic, and the rule change regarding blocks/charges.
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I honestly believe TSJ's improvement was because of Anderson not Brad.. Brad might have instilled another level of toughness but really think Tim did all of the bb skill work.
 
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RabidDawgClassic
New Creation said:
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#913      
AZILL
GatorMcKlusky said:
Brad's first mistake was thinking he could put any five players out there and come away with an Elite 8 team. It's called hubris. Second mistake was falling for Ron Guenther's "To be the best you have to play the best" non conference schedule.
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I have zero problem with the schedule. I want to see teams like these every year. And honestly the vast majority of inexplicable losses have come in B1G play anyways so that's not relevant to the RG comment. The issue is with the coaching decisions. Sure the illness and injuries complicated things, but my beef is solely with the staff/BU. Had we given 5+ minutes to 9-10 guys last night and still lost, I could at least rationalize with the fact that they were trying to do something different, and it just didn't work. Having 2 of our top 8 players, both of whom have started and been major contributors is just plain, well...... horse caca!
 
#915      
Second place is 1st loser
This is the stuff that drives me crazy. If we win or something goofy happens, no credit to the coaching given. It's the players and in your case, the S&C coach.

If we lose or things go awry, fire the entire staff.

I'd love to be a player in this team, unless it's Ben. He and Brad seem to be in the same fan purgatory.
 
#917      
illini510
Yes, most definitely. All of that played a role as well. BU played a role but how large is not totally known
 
#921      
NarrowJ
doowink said:
What I thought was even worse was ...I believe Morez was subbed for less than 3 minutes into the 2nd half....barely time to get winded let alone gassed
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It was a minute and a half, he came out right after he left Kohler wide open in the corner for another 3.

I'm certain that was a point of emphasis during halftime, so then 90 seconds into the second half the same error is made. He came out, a discussion was had/reminder of how to guard Kohler/whatever, then Morez came back in at the next dead ball.

That's easy enough to explain, I have no issues with it. We got 99 problems, but that ain't one.

I'm in agreement with those drawing parallels to the 22-23 team. In fact, this team looks even more bipolar than that team did, imo.
 
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JJHUI79
Pikeillinifan said:
That was exactly what I saw too, Morez was on a roll and he was the first subbed out? I assumed he was gassed but still, made no sense to me. It almost seemed like they didn’t want to have him take over and they pulled him to change the game.
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I may or may not be remembering this correctly, but wasn't Morez subbed out at that point because he had reacted slowly on a defensive closeout, where the MSU guy made a three?
 
#924      
doowink
NarrowJ said:
It was a minute and a half, he came out right after he left Kohler wide open in the corner for another 3.

I'm certain that was a point of emphasis during halftime, so then 90 seconds into the second half the same error is made. He came out, a discussion was had/reminder of how to guard Kohler/whatever, then Morez came back in at the next dead ball.

That's easy enough to explain, I have no issues with it. We got 99 problems, but that ain't one.

I'm in agreement with those drawing parallels to the 22-23 team. In fact, this team looks even more bipolar than that team did, imo.
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You're probably right....and Morez was back in pretty quickly. Or another way of handling would have been to call Morez to the sideline during the dead ball and remind him that's exactly what we were talking about at halftime....either get your !!! out there and cover him or spend time over here on the bench. We need more Morez on the floor...preferably good Morez....he's been one of the few bright spots on this team the last few games
 
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