Michigan State 85, Illinois 82 OT Postgame

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What I found interesting was that LaTulip actually mentioned the call on the rebound (literally 10 seconds after this Wagler play) as the "worst call of the night."

16:50 --

Initially I thought they got Mirkovic, but who knows.

Here's the replay of that one:
Yeah, I was shocked he thought that was the worst call of the night. It looks like Scott is probably selling it, so as an Illini fan, I'd like to think it was a complete flop, but I can't fault the official for calling it.
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For the sake of putting them all in one post, I saw three obviously bad calls in OT:

No call on Mirk's drive @4:28. As an 80% free throw shooter, that cost us ~1.6 points.
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Phantom call on Tomi @2:24. He jumped straight up and while his arm came down slightly, the contact was near his armpit within his vertical space. Nowhere close to this marginal of contact was called the other way (including Kohler holding on this play). It looked like MSU would have gotten the rebound, so this call gave them 2 points instead of ~1.2, so an extra ~0.8 points.
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No call on Z's rebound attempt @2:04. This cost us ~1.3 points.
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That's ~3.7pts, meaning MSU would theoretically have had the ball tied or maybe up 1 with 40sec left instead of up 4. The rest after that would play out differently than it did (MSU certainly wouldn't try to run out the shot clock if it was tied).

Aside from those obvious ones, I thought the foul on Mirk @4:14 was soft, didn't create that much of an advantage, and wasn't in line with the way the game was being called. He did step out late and give a push, though, and Kohler was about to be wide open for 3, so I'm not going to get upset about it. But Mirk probably should be more careful not to pick up his 4th foul for something like this.
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The Jake Davis screen on Scott @3:00 could have gone all sorts of ways. It's bang-bang whether he had stopped leaning in, and maybe he pushed through initial contact. But if they call that, they have to consider Scott's hook and elbow to the head. A foul on Davis first makes it a dead-ball, so I think anything on Scott would have to be a flagrant or tech. I think it's reasonable that the ref's didn't want to have to get into that and let them play-on since no advantage was created. It would have fouled Scott out though, so MSU can still feel like they caught some kind of break here.
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#703      
The odds of them playing that physical in the NCAA tournament and getting away with it are around 1%. Can't imagine a trip from a known dirty player doesn't get a foul when all eyes are on the game. They'll still be a tough out if they play that hard, but I gotta believe they won't get as many calls as they did in this one.
MSU has played 77 tournament games under Izzo. Won 54 of them. Pretty sure they've played the same type of aggressive ball in each of them.
 
#706      
MSU has played 77 tournament games under Izzo. Won 54 of them. Pretty sure they've played the same type of aggressive ball in each of them.

It could be sour grapes... But this MSU team's ceiling seems limited to me.

Even last year's team, for as great in the Big Ten as they were, I never felt they truly had the upside to do enough damage to be a title threat.
 
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Yeah, I was shocked he thought that was the worst call of the night. It looks like Scott is probably selling it, so as an Illini fan, I'd like to think it was a complete flop, but I can't fault the official for calling it.
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For the sake of putting them all in one post, I saw three obviously bad calls in OT:

No call on Mirk's drive @4:28. As an 80% free throw shooter, that cost us ~1.6 points.
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Phantom call on Tomi @2:24. He jumped straight up and while his arm came down slightly, the contact was near his armpit within his vertical space. Nowhere close to this marginal of contact was called the other way (including Kohler holding on this play). It looked like MSU would have gotten the rebound, so this call gave them 2 points instead of ~1.2, so an extra ~0.8 points.
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No call on Z's rebound attempt @2:04. This cost us ~1.3 points.
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That's ~3.7pts, meaning MSU would theoretically have had the ball tied or maybe up 1 with 40sec left instead of up 4. The rest after that would play out differently than it did (MSU certainly wouldn't try to run out the shot clock if it was tied).

Aside from those obvious ones, I thought the foul on Mirk @4:14 was soft, didn't create that much of an advantage, and wasn't in line with the way the game was being called. He did step out late and give a push, though, and Kohler was about to be wide open for 3, so I'm not going to get upset about it. But Mirk probably should be more careful not to pick up his 4th foul for something like this.
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The Jake Davis screen on Scott @3:00 could have gone all sorts of ways. It's bang-bang whether he had stopped leaning in, and maybe he pushed through initial contact. But if they call that, they have to consider Scott's hook and elbow to the head. A foul on Davis first makes it a dead-ball, so I think anything on Scott would have to be a flagrant or tech. I think it's reasonable that the ref's didn't want to have to get into that and let them play-on since no advantage was created. It would have fouled Scott out though, so MSU can still feel like they caught some kind of break here.
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These are great. Where is the double foul -- body by Carr, hatchet to Wagler arm by Scott -- that is a few posts up? Was that in regulation and not OT? That was the worst of the worst no calls in my book.
 
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What I found interesting was that LaTulip actually mentioned the call on the rebound (literally 10 seconds after this Wagler play) as the "worst call of the night."

16:50 --


Initially I thought they got Mirkovic, but who knows.

Here's the replay of that one:

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Scott was foul baiting the refs as much as Fears - he just falls down on this play to get a call and it worked - as much contact there was on rebounds, a couple of these calls going against us on rebounds were brutal
 
#710      
These are great. Where is the double foul -- body by Carr, hatchet to Wagler arm by Scott -- that is a few posts up? Was that in regulation and not OT? That was the worst of the worst no calls in my book.
That was with 2:00 remaining in regulation (we were up 67-66)
 
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Scott was foul baiting the refs as much as Fears - he just falls down on this play to get a call and it worked - as much contact there was on rebounds, a couple of these calls going against us on rebounds were brutal
And you have to be blind not to see the hook and hold being put on Z - far worse than a lot that have been called this year.
 
#712      
And you have to be blind not to see the hook and hold being put on Z - far worse than a lot that have been called this year.
That rebound was a giant mess

Z reached back with his right arm to block Cooper. Cooper didn't try to fight through Z's arm to draw that call and instead seemed content to reach his right arm up under Z's right arm, though I don't think I'd call it a hook and hold (but who knows anymore). Z reached back with his left around Cooper. Cooper pushed down with his left forearm on Z's back/shoulder. Mirk pushed Scott. Z fell back on Cooper.

I guess the refs figured everything between Z and Cooper was either a no-call or double foul and let that go, then Mirk's apparent push on Scott was separate.

I definitely question whether Mirk could have pushed hard since it didn't move himself back any, and he had no reason to push Scott that late since by then it was obvious the ball was bouncing too far from Scott.
 
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