Michigan State 88, Illinois 80 Postgame

#477      
In the postgame interview, in response to why Ty wasn't in, the first thing BU said was offense. That truly puzzles me, because to my (admittedly untrained) eye, our offense flows much better when Ty is running it. IMHO, other than TSJ, Ty is our best at getting to the basket.
agreed- not a good answer, Goode’s “offense” The last 8 minutes consisted of a missed three pointer, a missed front end of a 1and1 and 3 fouls
 
#478      
Undoubtedly, BU deserves much praise for building the program to relevancy again. I am truly grateful for that. However, I believe his major downfall is his inability to adjust during a game. Each and every (early) tournament loss highlights his unwillingness to change a game plan (or make substitutions) when his original scheme isn’t working or a starter isn’t playing well. It just seems he’s willing to let the team live or die on whatever hill he had planned. Again, I am grateful for him and glad he’s our coach. I just wish there was more real-time adaptability and willingness to change what isn’t working.
All coaches have strengths and weaknesses. I’ve been asking what people thought made underwood’s SFA teams so good. No one has really answered.

IMO, I think he has an elite eye for talent and is a great recruiter

I think he is below average at in game adjustments and some other strategic components. it’s probably that he believes in his abilities and trusts his schemes, but it seems stubborn to me

I remember a couple years ago someone asked him a question about scouting to play Illinois, or knowing what plays we’d run or something like that. His response was something like “I’ll give the other team my entire playbook, they still have to stop the plays when we run them.” Love the confidence but there’s a fine line between confidence and arrogance.
 
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#479      
Domask playing Booty ball at the half court line just exposes him against quicker guards.

If we truly are positionless, whoever the opposing 5 is guarding, let that person bring it up the floor. I totally trust Domask at end of clock situations, but he wil get his pocket picked at least once a game for an uncontested layup the other way.
 
#480      
Well, we all wanted change on the offensive end last year and we got it ... Geoff is helping Tyler but Tyler is running that show strategically ...
What the hell are two graduate assistants doing setting strategy for the offense and defense? What are the assistant coaches doing? Little beyond recruiting? Is this arrangement common at this level? Doesn't seem to make sense. And what makes us believe Tyler is qualified to be on the staff other than being the coach's son?
 
#481      

derrick6

Illini Dawg
Seattle
All coaches have straights and weaknesses. I’ve been asking what people thought made underwood’s SFA teams so good. No one has really answered.

IMO, I think he has an elite eye for talent and is a great recruiter

I think he is below average at in game adjustments and some other strategic components. it’s probably that he believes in his abilities and trusts his schemes, but it seems stubborn to me

I remember a couple years ago someone asked him a question about scouting to play Illinois, or knowing what plays we’d run or something like that. His response was something like “I’ll give the other team my entire playbook, they still have to stop the plays when we run them.” Love the confidence but there’s a fine line between confidence and arrogance.
In my humble opinion, it’s never been about his offense.

I remember watching the Ok State vs Michigan the season before he came here where neither team could get a key stop.

We are in the exact same position 7 years later.

OSU v Mich

That needs to be fixed and part of the issue is personnel decisions down the stretch. Trading off D for O, it seems.
 
#482      
Izzo should have been t'd up a couple times. He literally ran out on the court practically to the ft line once and no t.
Yeah, that was blatant and absolutely deserving of a technical. No excuse other than the officials wussed out because it was Izzo.
Officiating was awful and affected both teams, but two calls against Illini were especially egregious: the missed goaltending on a Dainja shot and the obvious basket interference on a layup by Hawkins (I think).
Also, anyone know why Hawkins got the taunting technical when he was shouting to the crowd? Profanity? You can't taunt a fan ....
 
#485      
Sometimes a team is just a bad match. MSU is more athletic at the positions that they isolated against the Illini. And again , I’ll never be convinced that a true point guard wouldn’t immensely improve this team. JMHO 🏀
 
#487      
The players seem to have BUs back and him their’s. Team is a lot more fun to watch then pre-BU. Yesterday was frustrating due to some coaching AND player decisions. But both players and BU have shown ability to learn and grow. I like that we have a TEAM vs a bunch of individuals. Optimistic that we could make a run. But realistic that we have yet to prove our abilities in the NCAA tourney. ILL!
 
#489      
Thank you. It's college basketball this year. This team should still win a ton of games (22-24 in regular season) and have a chance to make a special run in March. Are there flaws? Absolutely. But we are still a very good team and have been in every single game we have played in this year
Despite having our alpha unexpectedly suspended in tumultuous circumstances mid season...
 
#491      
All coaches have strengths and weaknesses. I’ve been asking what people thought made underwood’s SFA teams so good. No one has really answered.

IMO, I think he has an elite eye for talent and is a great recruiter

I think he is below average at in game adjustments and some other strategic components. it’s probably that he believes in his abilities and trusts his schemes, but it seems stubborn to me

I remember a couple years ago someone asked him a question about scouting to play Illinois, or knowing what plays we’d run or something like that. His response was something like “I’ll give the other team my entire playbook, they still have to stop the plays when we run them.” Love the confidence but there’s a fine line between confidence and arrogance.
I agree with this. I also think pedigree has something to do with it. BU doesn‘t have the pedigree of an X and O guy, or someone who has been mentored by a variety big winners.

Frank Martin was really the only coach that he worked under who had any postseason success, and Frank Martin has only made the postseason in 5 out of his 16 seasons as an HC. As an assistant or HC BU has only been in the sweet 16 once his whole career with the Michael Beasely elite 8 team.

BU has shown he is great at building a program, improving players, and has won everywhere he’s been a HC. It just seems like he doesn’t know how to take that next step, so he continues to ask more from his best players which sometimes pushes them beyond their abilities or comfort zone. When they deliver it looks great, and when they don’t it looks terrible. He needs to figure out a way how to win the tough games without demanding player heroics to compensate for coaching.
 
#492      
All coaches have strengths and weaknesses. I’ve been asking what people thought made underwood’s SFA teams so good... I think he is below average at in game adjustments and some other strategic components. it’s probably that he believes in his abilities and trusts his schemes, but it seems stubborn to me

As a wise person once said, 'You are what your record says you are.'

We like Coach. We're lucky to have him. But his Illini record thus far is to have good to great seasonal teams... and then wash out in the Dance. Possible reasons are that the team is not adequately prepared for tournament play... or team lacks confidence... or team doesn't listen to Coach. Or something else.

Coach knows what the feeling on the Illini street is. He must be feeling the pressure of needing to do well in the tournament this time around. And that can be a good or bad thing. Good in that it can inspire you to do great things. Or bad in that if you allow pressure to get to you... you can make yourself worse and not perform to your abilities.

The Illini have shown several weaknesses so far. Ballhandling. Interior defense. And melting down in some pressure situations. And in a sense... a lack of mental toughness. All of these things are concerning heading into the intensity of March ball.

There is still too much inconsistency from game to game from the players. Which Domask do we get today? Which Ty? Which Goode? Is Shannon gonna be Shannon or something less? Who is this team's emotional leader beyond the raw talent of Shannon?

Hawkins is the closest thing to being the rock of this team. But his temper gets the best of him at times and that hurts your ability to lead men into competition.

There is more unease about how The Beloved will do in the Dance today than there was a couple days ago. They have time to pull it together and get into a good game-mind-set before things get intense. The question is will they... what is in their heart. And how bad do they want it.
 
#493      
At the end of a tight game I want Lucas Johnson, Sergio, Kenny Battle, Dee Brown. We've gone really since Dee without a guy that has intangible elements to his game like Ty. I don't care the position. Just get him on the court.
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#494      
I agree with this. I also think pedigree has something to do with it. BU doesn‘t have the pedigree of an X and O guy, or someone who has been mentored by a variety big winners.

Frank Martin was really the only coach that he worked under who had any postseason success, and Frank Martin has only made the postseason in 5 out of his 16 seasons as an HC. As an assistant or HC BU has only been in the sweet 16 once his whole career with the Michael Beasely elite 8 team.

BU has shown he is great at building a program, improving players, and has won everywhere he’s been a HC. It just seems like he doesn’t know how to take that next step, so he continues to ask more from his best players which sometimes pushes them beyond their abilities or comfort zone. When they deliver it looks great, and when they don’t it looks terrible. He needs to figure out a way how to win the tough games without demanding player heroics to compensate for coaching.
Bob Huggins is pretty dadgum good at X’s and O’s. A guy coming up could do a whole lot worse.

But, I think you’re right though. Winning in March in the postseason is another hurdle that guys have to get over. Brad wouldn’t be the first coach that didn’t have immediate success in the postseason. (far from it) There’s a lot of luck involved too.
 
#495      
As a wise person once said, 'You are what your record says you are.'

We like Coach. We're lucky to have him. But his Illini record thus far is to have good to great seasonal teams... and then wash out in the Dance. Possible reasons are that the team is not adequately prepared for tournament play... or team lacks confidence... or team doesn't listen to Coach. Or something else.

Coach knows what the feeling on the Illini street is. He must be feeling the pressure of needing to do well in the tournament this time around. And that can be a good or bad thing. Good in that it can inspire you to do great things. Or bad in that if you allow pressure to get to you... you can make yourself worse and not perform to your abilities.

The Illini have shown several weaknesses so far. Ballhandling. Interior defense. And melting down in some pressure situations. And in a sense... a lack of mental toughness. All of these things are concerning heading into the intensity of March ball.

There is still too much inconsistency from game to game from the players. Which Domask do we get today? Which Ty? Which Goode? Is Shannon gonna be Shannon or something less? Who is this team's emotional leader beyond the raw talent of Shannon?

Hawkins is the closest thing to being the rock of this team. But his temper gets the best of him at times and that hurts your ability to lead men into competition.

There is more unease about how The Beloved will do in the Dance today than there was a couple days ago. They have time to pull it together and get into a good game-mind-set before things get intense. The question is will they... what is in their heart. And how bad do they want it.
Well all that can be said but I don't put too much into it with all that we have had going on this season. Wisky was media's darling 2 weeks ago and look at them now. The wheels have fallen off. Now can they get their mojo back to make a difference in March, well see. Same thing can be said about us. I don't think we have peaked early like in some previous years. Hopefully this year we go into the big dance fully healthy and firing on all cylinders so we can finally reach our full potential and make a deep run.
 
#496      

illini80

Forgottonia
Actually happened multiple times and to both teams. They apparently decided they had too many other calls to make and put basket interference away for the afternoon
It’s seldom called in recent times. In fact, I can’t remember the last time I saw it called. I’m not saying never, but it’s about like traveling these days. Has to be egregious or it’s an automatic no-call.
 
#497      
It’s seldom called in recent times. In fact, I can’t remember the last time I saw it called. I’m not saying never, but it’s about like traveling these days. Has to be egregious or it’s an automatic no-call.
I have seen it called a couple of times this year. The one missed on Rodgers dunk attempt was about as egregious as it gets. So there's that.
 
#499      
Something feels off with the team rn, even Goode is noticably more emotional, almost after every call. Ty is our toughest player (not close, really) and when he's out of the game, you better hope everything goes right, because our dudes can crack rather easily. I'm just being honest with what I'm seeing.
I feel like Goode is emotional because he knows he’s been getting his a$$ busted on defense and he’s frustrated
 
#500      

Bigtex

DFW
In hindsight, playing Dain and Hawkins together could've addressed some of our defensive issues down the stretch. Could've allowed us to put Hawkins on Hall and then Dain could play the same drop coverage Hawkins was while giving us some added rim protection and rebounding.

Oh well. Time to move on.
Until Hawkins switches to Walker