Feel like Sam is pretty plugged in with Illinois staff...
Him getting into the weeds on Ethan Brown and Ivisic shooting is not what i expect from just general national guys.
Does anyone else see lunacy in forecasting a player into the NBA draft that hasn't even played their first college game? I understand the media's requirement for content, but I just can't buy into this . . .
NBA used to draft players straight from high school. If NBA scouts were able to evaluate players based on pre-college performance back then, don't see why they wouldn't be able to now.Does anyone else see lunacy in forecasting a player into the NBA draft that hasn't even played their first college game? I understand the media's requirement for content, but I just can't buy into this . . .
I forgot the NBA instituted a rule restricting teams from drafting high school graduates until they were 19 and a year out of high school . . . Still kinda see it as just fodder to fill the "pages" of media . . . I'll just scroll past in the future, screaming "Get off my Lawn!"NBA used to draft players straight from high school. If NBA scouts were able to evaluate players based on pre-college performance back then, don't see why they wouldn't be able to now.
The standouts, sure. This day and age, SamV is spitballing for content sake - the man is in Australia.NBA used to draft players straight from high school. If NBA scouts were able to evaluate players based on pre-college performance back then, don't see why they wouldn't be able to now.
If the argument is that a mock draft this far away from the draft is going to have very little predictive value, I agree.The standouts, sure. This day and age, SamV is spitballing for content sake - the man is in Australia.
As mentioned last years draft had a high predictability index with multiple slam dunks. Wasserman only had 10 players right in his preseason
This years draft, outside of the top 4 kids (and Stokes is the only truly sure bet), is highly variable. There are 50-60 players that can shuffle into the other 26 spots.
A kid like Braylon Mullins could go 5th or could go 30t. All these kids have to play their way into the draft with a good year. No one is taking them on their HS eval.
Indeed - outside exceptional standout talent (ADJ, DP, Boozer, Flagg, Harper,) that have obvious traits, players have to play their way in. Last years freshman class was loaded with about 10 blue chip kids that everyone knew was going first round (Acuff, Ament, Wilson, Brown, Cenac, Peat). This year there is Stokes, Smith and Holt.If the argument is that a mock draft this far away from the draft is going to have very little predictive value, I agree.
I was more responding to the idea that incoming freshmen particularly should not be considered. Everyone's stock value is variable at this point. Based on what we know about Mirk, he could end up a lottery pick. He could also end up being a 5-year player who never gets drafted. That's still a pretty wide range of possibilities for a guy who does have a full year of college ball to analyze.
You mean that 20 year old freshman is thicker and stronger than the kid who turned 18 years old over the summer? You have to give Quentin two more years to make any comparison there. Burries was the same age as Kylan but somehow Kylan was a senior when Burries was a freshmanBurries was a lot thicker and stronger.
There is something to be said about grabbing guys just off the NBA radar, they stick around longer and congeal as a team. If Brad can keep this group around for another year, they could be legit NC favorites.
Wild if so.You mean that 20 year old freshman is thicker and stronger than the kid who turned 18 years old over the summer? You have to give Quentin two more years to make any comparison there. Burries was the same age as Kylan but somehow Kylan was a senior when Burries was a freshman
Much more of a complete player than Holt or Smith TBH, those two just have more athletic upside. Smith just came off an exhibition against Gonzaga were he was 0-9 from the floor.
Fouls to quickly. Keeton did not have that issue.
High Knees was awful in that Baylor game.Fouls to quickly. Keeton did not have that issue.
Analogies are a funny thing.
They stopped doing that because some of the scouting weren't very good.NBA used to draft players straight from high school. If NBA scouts were able to evaluate players based on pre-college performance back then, don't see why they wouldn't be able to now.
Sure, the evals weren't as accurate. Agree 100%. But do you genuinely think NBA scouts are not paying any attention to HS players? That they don't start evaluations of a player until they step foot on a college court?They stopped doing that because some of the scouting weren't very good.
In many cases, HS evaluation matters more than college evaluation.Sure, the evals weren't as accurate. Agree 100%. But do you genuinely think NBA scouts are not paying any attention to HS players? That they don't start evaluations of a player until they step foot on a college court?
If the NBA thought they would make more money drafting straight out of HS, I'm sure they would do it. The NBA realized that they get much better evaluations after seeing players in college for a year. Let the colleges handle the psychological shift of living away from home the first time, and the start of the serious weight training and diet. (Less so now with the HS BB academies.)Sure, the evals weren't as accurate. Agree 100%. But do you genuinely think NBA scouts are not paying any attention to HS players? That they don't start evaluations of a player until they step foot on a college court?
This legitimately just does not respond to my point even a little bit.If the NBA thought they would make more money drafting straight out of HS, I'm sure they would do it. The NBA realized that they get much better evaluations after seeing players in college for a year. Let the colleges handle the psychological shift of living away from home the first time, and the start of the serious weight training and diet. (Less so now with the HS BB academies.)
** Most HS players just are not ready to transition to the NBA. 51% of the NBA starters in 2025 had spent some time in the G-league. That is the starters, and after they had played in college or in overseas leagues. The percentage for bench players (the majority of the players) is much higher.
Something got misinterpreted. I fully believe that the NBA scouts do track HS kids very closely. I did not mean to imply otherwise (and I still don't see it when re-reading my post).This legitimately just does not respond to my point even a little bit.
The point is that NBA scouts have HS player on their draft boards before they play a single college game. They do. It's a fact. Do those evals change as that player goes through a college season? Of course. But that doesn't mean the NBA doesn't start evaluating a player before he plays in college. Which is why those players are on mock drafts before they play a single NCAA game which is where this convo started.