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#127      
Butters
Glad he got the money. I'm sure he wants to continue the opportunity to play in Chicago, but I am not convinced it's a great spot for him to continue to grow as a player. Guard spot still looks a bit crowded, and I don't trust the organization an inch...
 
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Emerson Bigguns
Butters said:
Glad he got the money. I'm sure he wants to continue the opportunity to play in Chicago, but I am not convinced it's a great spot for him to continue to grow as a player. Guard spot still looks a bit crowded, and I don't trust the organization an inch...
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I doubt he sees the end of that contract in Chicago. It’s the kind of contract NBA GMs pass around to make bigger deals work. Enough money to offset a big contract to some extent, but not enough to hamstring a front office long term. Plus he’s the kind of kid who’s always going to work hard on his game and not appear in any news articles that don’t include a box score.
My guess is he will be a journeyman who bounces around a lot, but ends up very wealthy after a decade or so in the association.
The young man just secured his future, regardless of how things go in the games.
I’m really happy for him. He has always reflected all the best things about Illini basketball.
 
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ktal
Congratulations to AYO!

He's living his dream, and this takes it to another level. I don't trust the Bulls and wouldn't be surprised if Ayo only spends one more year in Chicago, but he'll make the most of it, and with the support of his awesome family, he'll be set for life even if he has to wander the league for a few years. Great job!
 
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BretMyBeachHouse
ktal said:
Congratulations to AYO!

He's living his dream, and this takes it to another level. I don't trust the Bulls and wouldn't be surprised if Ayo only spends one more year in Chicago, but he'll make the most of it, and with the support of his awesome family, he'll be set for life even if he has to wander the league for a few years. Great job!
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Hope he stays in Chicago. But I'm not seeing a championship in their future. I'd love to see him put a few years in here and then get on a championship level team. He seems like the right guy to add to a team like that.
 
#139      
Roundball Sage
illiniguy said:
I just feel bad for anyone who plays for the Cubs, Sox, Bears, Bulls or Blackhawks.
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Don't feel bad for any of them. All of those players are being VERY well compensated for their time in those uniforms.

The only people to feel bad for are the fans. The fans do the paying. Fans do the caring. Fans pass along the Team Love to their next generations. And it's the fans who live with the generational pain and disappointment.

And it's the fans of all those teams that deserve far BETTER than what they're getting. For a long time now.
 
#140      
illiniguy24
ChiefGritty said:
It's good money for Ayo, but to be honest I have come to really think he's a bad fit with the Bulls with their horribly depressing glut of guards, all of whom are fundamentally unsuited to the needs at PG on an ill-fitting, go-nowhere team.

He's a nice story on his hometown team but I hope he gets traded, I think he has a brighter future in a different situation that tries to use and develop what he is rather than wish he was something he wasn't.
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Put me in this camp as well. Bulls front office just doesn’t get it in my opinion. And, also IMO, they haven’t been good recently at developing young talent. I’m happy Ayo got paid, that’s what most important, but I’ll be shocked if he is still with the Bulls through year 2 of this contract.
 
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MDchicago
Mr. Tibbs said:
good for him

21 million less the agents take of 3.5 leaves him 17.5 before tax
after tax that’s 9 million for 3 years .

that should set him up for life even if he never gets another contract nor endorsement money
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This contract certainly softens the blow of getting drafted as the 38th pick, as he will end up making more over his first four years in the league (~$15.98M Link) than any 2021 first round pick drafted 16th or later will make over that period (under the typical four year contract signed by first round picks, with team options for the third and fourth years, and using the salary scale applicable to that draft class). He will end up being paid in the range of the four year contracts signed by the 15th ($16.36M) and 16th ($15.55M) picks in his draft class, assuming their teams exercise their third and fourth year team options, so in a financial sense the market has corrected.

Ayo also has additional security relative to those players (his third and fourth year are now guaranteed), plus he has a guaranteed $7.5M guaranteed in year 5 that they do not currently have. The $9M net pay estimate above may even be a bit conservative, given the NBAPA max agent commission rate for veteran contracts of 4% (which would be a $840k commission on a $21M contract).

Recalling the frustrations of falling into the second round on draft night, so happy it worked out this way for him!
 
#149      
pruman91
MDchicago said:
This contract certainly softens the blow of getting drafted as the 38th pick, as he will end up making more over his first four years in the league (~$15.98M Link) than any 2021 first round pick drafted 16th or later will make over that period (under the typical four year contract signed by first round picks, with team options for the third and fourth years, and using the salary scale applicable to that draft class). He will end up being paid in the range of the four year contracts signed by the 15th ($16.36M) and 16th ($15.55M) picks in his draft class, assuming their teams exercise their third and fourth year team options, so in a financial sense the market has corrected.

Ayo also has additional security relative to those players (his third and fourth year are now guaranteed), plus he has a guaranteed $7.5M guaranteed in year 5 that they do not currently have. The $9M net pay estimate above may even be a bit conservative, given the NBAPA max agent commission rate for veteran contracts of 4% (which would be a $840k commission on a $21M contract).

Recalling the frustrations of falling into the second round on draft night, so happy it worked out this way for him!
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shout out to MDchicago.....................it really really is............................
 
#150      
Brookslyn
Just noticed that wikipedia has Kofi Cockburn in Korea on the Seoul Samsung team. Also found this on youtube, but unfortunately I don't understand Korean. Looks like a fair analysis though. Looks like Kofi is attempted more mid range jumpers while in Japan. Apparently their uniform is blue! So Kofi will have gone from Orange to Blue.

 
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