FightinIllini30
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Kj has been awful. I know its a big learning curve but no doubt he needs to do better.
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That box score is crazy.
GSW +/- -33, -34 -28 and +25 +18 on same team.
It gets worrisome when this happens first or 2nd possession. Like it’s on the scouting report. Bring left his man with no regard. I guess no communication on offense either
Wild take after 3 summer league games
I don’t know why people here are overly critical of this young man,yes I wish he’s killing it but it’s way too early….
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
I'm no basketball expert and I am CERTAINLY no NBA expert, but ... the kid seems to be the definition of drafting someone based purely on raw talent/potential.
These are fans..they are irrational to begin with...I mean, that's what this entire site is about! A place for Illini fans to vent irrational thoughts and expectations or feign surprise when a kid doesn't pick Illinois as their school as if it were the mecca for all athletes we target! Fans is just a synonym for Irrational thought.
I don't disagree with them that KJ should be at least showing a bit more than what I saw. I watched the second game, 1st half and saw someone who was a bit out of sorts and wasn't ready for the speed of the game. He is playing against grown men (which he has done before at the international level), but this is the NBA...a whole different level. I think he will need more time to figure this out than we think. He will probably do an extended stint in the g-league to get his bearings, mature, get stronger/quicker. Everything is coming at the young kid quickly and I don't think his ceiling has ever changed...it's just that we are seeing a nervous, young kid that is getting a dose of what it means to be a professional NBA player and needs to figure out his game in this environment.
LouHenson
- Naples Florida
Probably why he slid to #20? He is good, but will take some time. The game looked like it was simply too fast for him at this point. He will get paid to be in the G league well, simply needs more development. I always think of TSJ and do I think KJ is more talented? I really don’t, and TSJ fights to be on the “big” team. KJ will get there, but it is not without a year or two in the G league I think?
People forget how much development happened for TSJ throughout his college career. When he was KJ's age he was coming off a freshman season where he shot less than 26% from 3 and had more turnovers than assists. I do think 19 year old KJ is more talented than 19 year old TSJ was. Will 23 year old KJ be more talented than 23 year old TSJ? Only time can tell but it's certainly not impossible.
My recollection was he was projected late 1st by one or two, mostly early to mid 2nd. No idea if that would have held, but the thinking espoused by most back then was to go pro if you're a first rounder. Hard to say what would have happened, but KU certainly paid him well, and that's a bird in the hand.
seriously have to realize there's a limit to this age talk when comparing and always saying "Terrance was 24, KJ's 18, etc." I get TJ was not nearly as great at 18, I also get that level of development is well beyond rare. Taking every 18 year old because they had "better" stats than Terrance at that age and saying they'll be capable of doing what he did is simply fool's drool. 99/100 freshman had "better stats" than TJ as a freshman won't be capable of averaging 23/game at 23 (or anywhat that status).
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Barring a pertty hefty break in the trend TSJ will likely turn out the best of those recent three. It's just in him right now.
He was projected as a consensus lotto pick - no doubt he should not have stayed (Kasparas) - but IMO if you do stay an extended amount of time in college you no doubt set yourself up better for success in terms of where you are as a prospect (although you will likely be drafted lower because of your age). The exception is of course the Dybansta, Flagg, etc (already reached superstar level status).
He was projected as a consensus lotto pick - no doubt he should not have stayed (Kasparas) - but IMO if you do stay an extended amount of time in college you no doubt set yourself up better for success in terms of where you are as a prospect (although you will likely be drafted lower because of your age). The exception is of course the Dybansta, Flagg, etc (already reached superstar level status).
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When?
Its hard to find mock drafts from back then but this article from 2022 refers to an ESPN mock draft where he is goes undrafted:
This one from 2023 talks about him not being in mock drafts and being outside of Wasserman's top-50:
This one is from 2024 talking about him not even getting 2nd round projections:
It looks to me like there was a better chance that Dickinson would go undrafted than that he would go 1st round, in any of the drafts he could have declared for.
Where did anyone do that?
Pretty much one of the first things for rookies entering the NBA to develop and that's learning the speed of the game at this level and having the game slow down for them.
for TSJ its all about playing time. Very rarely is a first year player as good as he is/was and still get totally shelfed the way he did. had he played on the wizards would've been up for rookie of the year.
may very well out perform dillingham when its all said and done (who was drafted 8th in that same draft).
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Pretty sure he will out perform Dillingham...
that was talent wise one of the most not-great draft classes in recent memory. He went 27th, very possibly five years from now we look at him as a top 5 player from that class.
Hopefully TJ sees the ball this time.
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lstewart53x3
- Scottsdale, Arizona
Are the scouts still saying KJ’s problem was the way Brad used him?
AEX
- West Lafayette
Great to see Quincy getting a chance in the summer league. Felt like he flashed a ton of potential in 23-24, not all of which was realized. If I'm remembering correctly, he came on strong towards the end of non-conference / early conference schedule, but faded a bit down the stretch. Maybe those sleepless nights of new parenthood caught up to him.
TSJ 1 for 6 from 3.
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