NCAA changes infractions process

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Joel Goodson

dawgville
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Carolina still gets a golden pass, right?
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I cannot wait for the beating the NCAA is going to take in the first lawsuit that gets filed against them in an NIL enforcement case.

And a lot of you will be on the NCAA's side!

(It's stress we absolutely don't need, but a part of me hopes it's us. Josh Whitman would be a wonderful spokesperson to burn it all to the ground where it belongs.)
 
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I cannot wait for the beating the NCAA is going to take in the first lawsuit that gets filed against them in an NIL enforcement case.

And a lot of you will be on the NCAA's side!

(It's stress we absolutely don't need, but a part of me hopes it's us. Josh Whitman would be a wonderful spokesperson to burn it all to the ground where it belongs.)
What type of NIL case are you talking of? Improper coordination?
 
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What type of NIL case are you talking of? Improper coordination?
Inducement to a recruit was what I had in mind, but they'll have the school dead to rights on both, the school will sue, and the NCAA will get the treatment from the real authorities that they've deserved for decades.

Amateurism is over and never coming back, I just hope we get a really big bang of public humiliation for the NCAA enforcement crew before it fades from memory.
 
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Inducement to a recruit was what I had in mind, but they'll have the school dead to rights on both, the school will sue, and the NCAA will get the treatment from the real authorities that they've deserved for decades.

Amateurism is over and never coming back, I just hope we get a really big bang of public humiliation for the NCAA enforcement crew before it fades from memory.
I have no idea what you're talking about. NIL is legal.
 
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I have no idea what you're talking about. NIL is legal.
Yes but it's against current NCAA rules to use an NIL deal as an inducement to play at a particular school. Even though every single one of them is unambiguously that. You're just sorta not supposed to say it out loud.

The NCAA is waiting for a case where they have everybody on record saying the quiet part loud to make their big move. That school will sue. And the legal community of both sides of the political divide is done with defending the NCAA cartel, it will go very badly for them.
 
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Yes but it's against current NCAA rules to use an NIL deal as an inducement to play at a particular school. Even though every single one of them is unambiguously that. You're just sorta not supposed to say it out loud.

The NCAA is waiting for a case where they have everybody on record saying the quiet part loud to make their big move. That school will sue. And the legal community of both sides of the political divide is done with defending the NCAA cartel, it will go very badly for them.
Ideal orchestration...A&M way

1. Jimbo Fisher gets his recruiting target list and starts his calls to recruits...NO NIL references in his pitch to recruits.

2. Jimbo releases his recruiting target list to his A&M cashbox NIL group.

3. A&M NIL group independently reaches out to A&M recruit targets with handsome offers

4. A&M lands the #1 recruiting class

A&M staff never "enticed"...
 
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Yes but it's against current NCAA rules to use an NIL deal as an inducement to play at a particular school. Even though every single one of them is unambiguously that. You're just sorta not supposed to say it out loud.

The NCAA is waiting for a case where they have everybody on record saying the quiet part loud to make their big move. That school will sue. And the legal community of both sides of the political divide is done with defending the NCAA cartel, it will go very badly for them.

I'm not understanding where you're coming from. The NCAA *is* the schools, and the schools are embracing NIL. The NCAA has become less and less powerful as an enforcement body because they keep deviating from what many schools are doing. On top of that, given how badly they lost at the Supreme Court, I can't see them having much to say when schools keep thumbing their noses at their polices, daring them to try and enforce them. The conferences are gaining while the NCAA is losing. Admittedly I'm no expert, but I don't see the NCAA having any wins against the power 2 conferences, which are embracing NIL.
 
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The NCAA *is* the schools
This is where we disagree.

The NCAA is an entrenched bureaucracy very separate from major conference football that opened the door wider than they realized when they panic-allowed NIL to take root.

Maybe you're right that they know they're dead in the water if they try to pull the reins back and reassert their power. I predict you aren't though.

The letter of the law is being violated with absolutely every single NIL arrangement. It is openly and unambiguously recruiting inducement payments in every last case, with the full knowledge of coaches and administrators. The NIL rules as written say you can't do that. The NCAA will try to find an unsympathetic case and drop the hammer, that's my prediction. And then the fun begins.
 
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The NCAA *is* the schools,
I'm gonna stop you right there. In my previous higher ed career, I had to deal directly with the NCAA many times. Rest assured that the member schools do not consider themselves "The NCAA." There were very few staffers I dealt with in Indianapolis whom I would consider first-rate administrators. This is evidenced by their failure to lead the way on NIL, thereby leaving the inmates to set the rules of the asylum. I've never seen another organization that suffers from paralysis by analysis like the NCAA. According to their outdated amateurism model, students cannot be paid to play sports. Period. Along comes NIL, and the NCAA spent the bulk of its time and resources trying to figure out how to say that this isn't pay to play, when it clearly is. They should have been out front with rules for NIL, but they dithered so long that state legislatures finally said f*** it, we'll do it ourselves. At that point, the NCAA was neutered in the NIL game.

I agree that they are probably dying for an NIL infraction case to come up so that they can assert their authority, such as it is. Their inability to adjudicate infractions cases in a timely manner (Kansas Bball), their slow response to anything new, and the thrashing they took in the Supreme Court (9-0 against) have all shown that the NCAA emperor has no clothes. The Power 5 conferences really don't give a damn what the NCAA thinks anymore, and the huge upraised middle finger Kansas sent their way by saying that Bill Self wouldn't be fired, even if the NCAA said he had to be, is just one example.

The only reason to keep the NCAA around is the money they rake in and distribute to the member schools. Other than that, it serves little purpose.
 
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panic-allowed NIL

Panic? They fought it for years and years, losing both the PR war and the blistering judgment against them at the Supreme Court. Many state legislatures have passed laws to override them and codify the protections. I don't see any way that what you're suggesting could get off the ground, at least if I understand you correctly.

No one can stop the NCAA from pursuing a pointless legal suit, but I'm not seeing anything that would even make for a credible threat.
 
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I agree that they are probably dying for an NIL infraction case to come up so that they can assert their authority

The NCAA used to have a lot more power to assert, so it could become self-serving in the ways you indicate. They were the cops, everyone else had to play by their rules or risk enormous consequences. That's going to lead to arrogance unless they're held accountable, and for a very long time, they weren't. Things have changed though, and not by a little bit.

I don't doubt that there are people in the bureaucracy that still think they can enforce their will, but at least regarding NIL, I don't see them having a leg to stand on. I would add, that not only do they have a proven loser on this, but they'd also be taking on the richest programs, their fanbases, and state legislatures that view this as a political issue.
 
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I don't doubt that there are people in the bureaucracy that still think they can enforce their will, but at least regarding NIL, I don't see them having a leg to stand on. I would add, that not only do they have a proven loser on this, but they'd also be taking on the richest programs, their fanbases, and state legislatures that view this as a political issue.
We clearly are in total agreement on the underlying situation here.

I just think the zombie bureaucracy of NCAA enforcement is going to give it a shot.
 
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CoalCity

St Paul, MN
Ideal orchestration...A&M way

1. Jimbo Fisher gets his recruiting target list and starts his calls to recruits...NO NIL references in his pitch to recruits.

2. Jimbo releases his recruiting target list to his A&M cashbox NIL group.

3. A&M NIL group independently reaches out to A&M recruit targets with handsome offers

4. A&M lands the #1 recruiting class

A&M staff never "enticed"...
Sounds like a solid pattern for the Guardians
 
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The NCAA used to have a lot more power to assert, so it could become self-serving in the ways you indicate. They were the cops, everyone else had to play by their rules or risk enormous consequences. That's going to lead to arrogance unless they're held accountable, and for a very long time, they weren't. Things have changed though, and not by a little bit.

I don't doubt that there are people in the bureaucracy that still think they can enforce their will, but at least regarding NIL, I don't see them having a leg to stand on. I would add, that not only do they have a proven loser on this, but they'd also be taking on the richest programs, their fanbases, and state legislatures that view this as a political issue.
The first domino to fall that loosened their God-like grip on college athletics was the TV deals that schools and conferences negotiated for themselves. This reduced the reliance on NCAA-brokered deals ,and brought in much more money. Everything in college sports has to do with money. For a long time, the NCAA was the banker. Now it's not. That's eroded their influence to the point that member schools just aren't afraid of them anymore.
 
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Now that players can get paid over the table, there won’t be many major infractions cases; only the dumbest of the dumb will fail to achieve plausible deniability. Further, UNC has now shown the world how to beat the rap on an academic fraud case. NCAA enforcement has gone from mostly worthless to completely worthless, IMO.
 
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This is where we disagree.

The NCAA is an entrenched bureaucracy very separate from major conference football that opened the door wider than they realized when they panic-allowed NIL to take root.

Maybe you're right that they know they're dead in the water if they try to pull the reins back and reassert their power. I predict you aren't though.

The letter of the law is being violated with absolutely every single NIL arrangement. It is openly and unambiguously recruiting inducement payments in every last case, with the full knowledge of coaches and administrators. The NIL rules as written say you can't do that. The NCAA will try to find an unsympathetic case and drop the hammer, that's my prediction. And then the fun begins.
That's some good and heady analysis there, but I think something is missing from the picture: athletes have a lot more power now then they did just a year or two ago. I'm pretty sure this is because they were *very close* to forming a union, which would have been destructive to the NCAA. It's not a perfect system by any means...but isn't it at least plausible that NCAA adopted NIL as a bulwark against collective bargaining?
 
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I think the NCAA knows that it is facing the possible end of its control over the Power 5 conferences (which is really the Power 2 and the smaller 3, who want to be included.) I don't really see why the B1G and the SEC would stay in an association so poorly ran. I just wonder what will fight the fuse to start it.
 
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Ya, I'm not buying this at all...
What the hell is an Independent Panel????....and what is the panel independent of??......Did the NCAA hire this panel????.....How many individuals were on this panel???....typical NCAA Bullslip .......
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