Nebraska 64, Illinois 63 POSTGAME

#151      

CoalCity

St Paul, MN
So if we are in fact cursed, what can we trace it back to? Hopefully not a goat. I don't want to wait 100 years. Or be related to the Cubs....

Well if you want something to trace it to try this on for size: Since Chief was retired, our winning % in conf FB games is 0.284. Take out Zookers 6-2 in the first season of that era, and the %. drops to an astounding 0.238. In BB things look much better...NOT. Winning % in conf games is 0.422.

Coincidence?

And I know he's not coming back and why he had to go. Don't agree with it but it's over and done so no lectures please.
 
#152      
We have a YOUNG team playing for a system they were not recruited for. That being said the key word is YOUNG. People don't take into consideration that every team we have played this year is old and experienced. Lots of seniors and juniors on those teams. I think this puts us in a very good position for years to come since we will have one of the most experienced teams in the conference while the other teams are "retooling"

Black is in his fourth year, as is Finke. Alstork is a fifth year guy.
 
#153      
Every decent big body guy is killing us like they were an MCAA one and done player. We need athletic big bodies. Our guards are freshmen but they aren't losing the games for us, they often out play the competition.


Black is closer to being a WF than a PF in the BIG. He just doesn't have the size to go against the legitimate bigs. If he was teamed up with a true athletic center he could be more effective.
 
#154      

mikraso

The Urb
Well if you want something to trace it to try this on for size: Since Chief was retired, our winning % in conf FB games is 0.284. Take out Zookers 6-2 in the first season of that era, and the %. drops to an astounding 0.238. In BB things look much better...NOT. Winning % in conf games is 0.422.

Coincidence?

And I know he's not coming back and why he had to go. Don't agree with it but it's over and done so no lectures please.
Yeah, I thought that might be the case. Is there anything else to blame it on? A jersey switch maybe?
 
#155      

RedRocksIllini

Morrison, CO
Unbelievable that Illinois is winless in the Big 10. The only encouraging thing is that they're competitive. Funny: they rebound, but the guards can't shoot worth a darn all of a sudden. Get them in sync, you might just win a few.

Last time Illinois went winless for the season was 0-8 in 1907-08, according to WIKI. Also, 2-12 in 73-74 and 4-14 in 74-75. Let's salvage the season with a 98-99 effort.

From the "Illini Don't Get No Respect" file: Comcast Chicago does indeed have an Iowa State basketball show with its coach. Was on at 2 p.m. Thanks, Comcast. And thank you Hy-Vee, whose advertising sponsors the show and also UNI football, basketball.

Last (and only) time a team went winless in both basketball and football in this conference in one season was the 1923-24 Northwestern Wildcats*. That's a record that I think NW deserves to own all by itself.

* I didn't bother to fact-check this. Just going off an article about the BC Eagles recent "accomplishment".
 
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#156      

illini80

Forgottonia
Aren't going to win ANY games with 4 guys going 1-20. We've seen these kind of numbers all to often from any given 3 or 4 players. And Williams and Smith being freshmen I think is a poor excuse for bad play. You have to want the ball and some confidence on offense, which is lacking in a few players.
Why was Black on the shooter at the end. Smith, switched but why Leron at the outset.
So, tired of teams celebrating on Illini at end of games.
ftfy

Still amazed that this team struggles to score.
 
#157      
I will say this folks. FRESHMAN....that is all. They compete and this is the true definition of GROWING PAINS...
 
#158      
BU is a pressure defense coach at heart. The zone got them reeling and out of rhythm. Come back to the pressure man, maybe you force a couple turnovers, step on their throat, and end it. Also, it’s entirely possible they were confused against our zone BECAUSE we were switching back and forth. Eventually a team will find its rhythm against a zone too. Switching causes them to switch offense which doesn’t necessarily allow them to get settled.

The other thing is, and I’ve watched every game but Grand Canyon, we haven’t shown a 2-3 zone this year. They probably prepped for our 3-2, so they were caught off guard most likely.
pressure approach needs to consider matchups. wont always work with certain lineups and opponents. BU softened his pressure up top laat year for a reason.

zone worked effectively last night in some stretches. need to adapt smartly and focus on what works best.

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#159      

illini80

Forgottonia
Is there a regular "Brad Underwood Show" on television or radio? There used to be a Bruce Weber tv show, I think.

Even though Illinois isn't winning right now, it should have exposure like ISU on Comcast . Is Hy-Vee in central Illinois? We've got one in DeKalb.

Yes, Hy Vee is in Bloomington, Springfield and Peoria. HQ in Des Moines, so not surprising they would sponsor Iowa TV ads.

Monday night on WDWS is Brad Underwood show. Not aware of any TV stuff.
 
#160      
Curious if anyone else bothered by the amount of dribbling out front done by Frasier. Ballis not moving by quick passes we saw earlier. Didn't think that was the system but BU seems fine with it.
 
#161      

VTIllini

Vermont
I honestly was thinking about fouling because I had a feeling it they took a three it was going in

That would have been the best move and would have gotten us to overtime, but only if the foul had come before the shot--and even if not, he would have had to make all three fts to win it.
 
#162      
That would have been the best move and would have gotten us to overtime, but only if the foul had come before the shot--and even if not, he would have had to make all three fts to win it.

Given the 3pt shooting percentages, the best strategy in this case is not to foul and play good defense.
 
#163      
You only foul when you’re up exactly 3. Otherwise, letting the other team score with the clock stopped is one of the biggest no no’s of icing a basketball game ever.
 
#164      

ILL in IA

Iowa City
How'd that work out?

If Underwood opted to foul up 2, and send the game to overtime, we would be talking about looking for a new coach. This is the most ridiculous idea. Not every coach8ng decision needs to be questioned because we lost the game. Guys hit shots. It happens. But if our best bet is a coach opting to play scared, we should just give up.
 
#165      
Curious if anyone else bothered by the amount of dribbling out front done by Frasier. Ballis not moving by quick passes we saw earlier. Didn't think that was the system but BU seems fine with it.

He's fine with it right now, because the kid is the ONLY one who can create and the coach can depend on as a guard to be the go to type of player. :chief:
 
#166      
I got all crazed once again, Finke showed testicles, Trent was Trent, DaMonte you know didn;t mean to do that, still, where the fug ever are Kipper, that one guy from Wright?wrong State? Still the whole damned team i lve
 
#169      
Personally, I’ve always favored the strategy of fouling when up by 2 with more than 5 seconds on the clock. The one thing you want to take off the table is losing on a last shot and effectively having no ability to respond. By fouling (in a valid, hard attempt to get the ball), you can take that off the table and give yourself the opportunity (assuming enough time to inbound and get a reasonable shot, hence, the 5 seconds or more) of winning on a last second shot. At worst, even assuming the other team makes the free throws, the game ends in a tie. (As the saying goes, “What have you got to lose ?”) Of course, the other team could make the first free throw, rebound a second miss and have a put back — but what are the percentages of that ? Particularly such percentages as opposed to the percentages of stopping the other team from making a 3-point shot ? Just how rare is it for a team to make a 3-point shot these days in the waning seconds of a game or a half ? Haven’t we seen several of those the last week or so ? Added to that is just what such a shot by the other team does to your team; it literally knocks the stuffing out of them. (Not to mention the fact that a team is hesitant to vigorously defend the basket in the fear of giving up a traditional 3-point play.)

So, we didn't foul and opted to play defense — how did that work out ? Did we have the final chance (with little or no pressure of losing in regulation) to win the game ?
 
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#170      
17-18 wins? Man, that would be a massive disappointment.

If Underwood is as good a coach as we think he is, then next year should be a 21-22 win season. Something like 21-11 and a 7 seed in the NCAA tournament.

When you return virtually everybody -- most of whom are freshmen and sophomores -- and add a 5* stud PG, then you expect to make the tournament without sweating.

Weird to even think about next year. We need this year's team to improve and get over the hump. The league may not be top heavy, but there's lots of decent teams. We've been competitive, we just need to get these guys more consistent and to finish.

I don't think we're far off. We still make a lot of mistakes and the difference in these games has often been tiny.
 
#171      
Personally, I’ve always favored the strategy of fouling when up by 2 with more than 5 seconds on the clock. The one thing you want to take off the table is losing on a last shot and effectively having no ability to respond. By fouling (in a valid, hard attempt to get the ball), you can take that off the table and give yourself the opportunity (assuming enough time to inbound and get a reasonable shot, hence, the 5 seconds or more) of winning on a last second shot. At worst, even assuming the other team makes the free throws, the game ends in a tie. (As the saying goes, “What have you got to lose ?”) Of course, the other team could make the first free throw, rebound a second miss and have a put back — but what are the percentages of that ? Particularly such percentages as opposed to the percentages of stopping the other team from making a 3-point shot ? Just how rare is it for a team to make a 3-point shot these days in the waning seconds of a game or a half ? Haven’t we seen several of those the last week or so ? Added to that is just what such a shot by the other team does to your team; it literally knocks the stuffing out of them. (Not to mention the fact that a team is hesitant to vigorously defend the basket in the fear of giving up a traditional 3-point play.)

So, we didn't foul and opted to play defense — how did that work out ? Did we have the final chance (with little or no pressure of losing in regulation) to win the game ?

Up 2 and you want to give them 2 FTs?

I can see fouling if you're up 3, but no way at 2. If they have the ball in a shooter's hand (likely), and they have, say 80+% FT, then you're likely giving them a free ride to OT. There's also the risk that when you go to foul, they shoot it, and then it's a free shot and possibly an if it goes in, they get the bonus.

I don't know what the percentages are, but if you get the ball back with 4 or fewer seconds, you're odds of scoring are low. Much lower than the average.
 
#172      
Any coach who strategically fouls the other team to give them two free throws when up by two points in a late game situation should be questioned and probably fired.

Also, the other team is gonna get the ball in to one if it’s best free throw shooters in case a foul happens. Stop this insanity people.

The Nebraska guy hit a tough shot, much tougher than 2 FREE throws. He hit a pull up, after his team traveled the length of the court, vs a tempo press designed to slow you down and force a hard shot. Sometimes kids just make plays and that’s that.
 
#173      

Ransom Stoddard

Ordained Dudeist Priest
Bloomington, IL
The biggest thing this season has done for me is provide confirmation of who on this board understands the game.