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#52      
Ehh but still gotta let people like that know who runs the program tho. I feel like it’s a fine line between politicking and keeping them liking you for their money, but also not letting them push you around.

My assumption: many of them saw a young black coach with no head coaching experience and thought they were gonna have some control over him, even if just perceived.
In an NIL would you need to be kissing the butt of those rich donors and their 3rd cousins. Especially at a school like Purdue that already has had publicized issues with NIL.

I would doubt his race had as much to do with donors apprehensions as he was not the first choice. They wanted someone with head coaching experience. There have been a lot of hot coordinators that can't hack it as head coaches. There are also head coaches that can't make the step up, but you feel more comfortable with a guy with more experience.

If I were Purdue I would have wanted Jeff Traylor, and you would assume he would be attainable for a Big Ten school. Though maybe he sees Jimbo on thin ice and says 1 more year and I can get that Texas A&M job?
 
#53      

Mr. Tibbs

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is it even known that Traylor was contacted for Purdue ?
were Dan Mullen or Gary Patterson contacted ?
 
#54      
UTSA is on a meteoric rise and if Jeff Traylor used a potential job at Texas Tech for a baragining chip, I have a hard time thinking he would go to Purdue.
 
#55      
If I were Purdue I would have wanted Jeff Traylor, and you would assume he would be attainable for a Big Ten school. Though maybe he sees Jimbo on thin ice and says 1 more year and I can get that Texas A&M job?
I am not a Jimbo guy but someone really soiled the sheets at A&M when they made his contract. There is no offset clause so it is fully guaranteed. Here would be his buyouts after each season is completed....


  • 2022: $85,950,000
  • 2023: $76,800,000
  • 2024: $67,550,000
  • 2025: $58,200,000
  • 2026: $48,750,000
  • 2027: $39,200,000
  • 2028: $29,550,000
  • 2029: $19,800,000
  • 2030: $9,950,000
 
#56      
I am not a Jimbo guy but someone really soiled the sheets at A&M when they made his contract. There is no offset clause so it is fully guaranteed. Here would be his buyouts after each season is completed....


  • 2022: $85,950,000
  • 2023: $76,800,000
  • 2024: $67,550,000
  • 2025: $58,200,000
  • 2026: $48,750,000
  • 2027: $39,200,000
  • 2028: $29,550,000
  • 2029: $19,800,000
  • 2030: $9,950,000
Ouch. His agent earned every penny on this travesty
 
#57      

TentakilRex

Land O Insects between Quincy-Macomb-Jacksonville
UTSA is on a meteoric rise and if Jeff Traylor used a potential job at Texas Tech for a baragining chip, I have a hard time thinking he would go to Purdue.
Not to mention I think Traylor is going stay local and not wonder to far from Texas. Basically this is the list of schools he would leave UTSA for.

Texas
A&M
Texas Tech
TCU
Baylor
Oklahoma State
Oklahoma
Arkansas
Houston?
maybe LSU

His recruiting strength is being an ex-UIL coach in a state where being a former HS football coach is major feather in the cap. Also one can assume Joey McGwire at Texas Tech is in the same boat.
 
#61      
Crazy thing is this site has Witherspoon as the 11th best CB. It is more likely he gets drafted 11th than that junk. Witherspoon went from borderline 1st rounder, to 20's, to 10-20 range. See what happens between more teams watching his tape, combine and 40 time. He might be one of the biggest bump ups in the 1st Round this year.

 
#62      
Crazy thing is this site has Witherspoon as the 11th best CB. It is more likely he gets drafted 11th than that junk. Witherspoon went from borderline 1st rounder, to 20's, to 10-20 range. See what happens between more teams watching his tape, combine and 40 time. He might be one of the biggest bump ups in the 1st Round this year.

The knock on Spoon, the worry scouts will have about him, is that he's very thin and light, he does not have the prototypical bulk you're looking for. There will be fear that the real godzilla WR's of the league will be able to manhandle him a bit.

But he's such a combative in-your-face warrior, I think the draft process is going to allay those concerns more and more the closer scouts look.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if he goes in the teens. You just can't play much better at corner than he did this year. He probably does have particularly high stakes for his athletic measurables at combine/pro day though, that will be very meaningful either way.
 
#64      
His similarities with Sauce Gardner are also going to help Spoon a lot. Gardner is bigger and longer, but people will see that physicality and bravado on tape and think "oh, he's like the guy all of us wish we had drafted last year".
 
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The knock on Spoon, the worry scouts will have about him, is that he's very thin and light, he does not have the prototypical bulk you're looking for. There will be fear that the real godzilla WR's of the league will be able to manhandle him a bit.

But he's such a combative in-your-face warrior, I think the draft process is going to allay those concerns more and more the closer scouts look.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if he goes in the teens. You just can't play much better at corner than he did this year. He probably does have particularly high stakes for his athletic measurables at combine/pro day though, that will be very meaningful either way.
I don't disagree with your take but think it has more to do with the website rating him low is all. Maybe they didn't update the rankings but having him rated as the 11th best CB is crazy. Think they had Sydney Brown as 19th ranked S.

Spoon was probably 160 with a wet t-shirt coming out of high school. He is probably around 180 give or take a bit now. If he has game at the professional level a NFL staff can add 5-15 lbs of muscle onto his frame without slowing him down. Best corners I remember watching growing up were all 6'1 or shorter and had random frame sizes. Deion Sanders, Charles Woodson, Champ Bailey, Darrelle Revis, Ty Law, Aeneas Williams. Darrell Green was a beast at 5'9
 
#67      
Vontae Davis was pretty good. Just over 5 ft 11 inches and 203 pounds according to Wikipedia. It never occurred to me to compare Spoon to him though.
 
#68      
I don't disagree with your take but think it has more to do with the website rating him low is all. Maybe they didn't update the rankings but having him rated as the 11th best CB is crazy. Think they had Sydney Brown as 19th ranked S.

Spoon was probably 160 with a wet t-shirt coming out of high school. He is probably around 180 give or take a bit now. If he has game at the professional level a NFL staff can add 5-15 lbs of muscle onto his frame without slowing him down. Best corners I remember watching growing up were all 6'1 or shorter and had random frame sizes. Deion Sanders, Charles Woodson, Champ Bailey, Darrelle Revis, Ty Law, Aeneas Williams. Darrell Green was a beast at 5'9
Oh yeah, he's miles better and will be drafted ahead of most of the guys on that list, I hadn't clicked.

And Spoon has good (not elite, but good) length for a corner, he is long-armed for his adequate height. So it's not a question of comparison to short guys.

But yeah he's just really, really skinny. I do not have these numbers, but I would have to imagine he might have the lowest BMI in the league next year, and probably the lightest player above 6 feet.

I raise that not to question his NFL potential, but we're sitting here talking about him going in the teens, which is where I suspect this is headed if his athletic measurables in the draft process are what he's capable of. Begs the question then, why doesn't he go 4th overall like Gardner did? Well, because it's not a prototypical body, and non-QB top 10 picks are for prototypical bodies.

Vontae Davis was pretty good. Just over 5 ft 11 inches and 203 pounds according to Wikipedia. It never occurred to me to compare Spoon to him though.
Right, Vontae was thick, almost a bit stumpy. Very different body getting to elite CB performance in a different way.

Both Vontae and Spoon are hall of fame trash talkers though. I lived in Scott Hall with Vontae his freshman year, one of the biggest personalities you'll ever meet.
 
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I raise that not to question his NFL potential, but we're sitting here talking about him going in the teens, which is where I suspect this is headed if his athletic measurables in the draft process are what he's capable of. Begs the question then, why doesn't he go 4th overall like Gardner did? Well, because it's not a prototypical body, and non-QB top 10 picks are for prototypical bodies.
I have never said Spoon was/wasn't the best CB. My original post was that he was ranked 11th best CB by that one site. Also stated that he went from popping up in the 1st Round, to 20s to teens possibly over time.

I have not looked at many mock drafts but my guess is Spoon is picked between the 3rd-6th best CB coming out and placed accordingly. That really could put him anywhere from teens to early 2nd round at worst case scenario. Draft number is just that, a number. If Spoon has the talent at the next level his frame will be fine because he will add onto it. Lucky for him he just turned 22 in the last month, unlucky for me my added weight now is not muscle :ROFLMAO:
 
#70      
Oh yeah, he's miles better and will be drafted ahead of most of the guys on that list, I hadn't clicked.

And Spoon has good (not elite, but good) length for a corner, he is long-armed for his adequate height. So it's not a question of comparison to short guys.

But yeah he's just really, really skinny. I do not have these numbers, but I would have to imagine he might have the lowest BMI in the league next year, and probably the lightest player above 6 feet.

I raise that not to question his NFL potential, but we're sitting here talking about him going in the teens, which is where I suspect this is headed if his athletic measurables in the draft process are what he's capable of. Begs the question then, why doesn't he go 4th overall like Gardner did? Well, because it's not a prototypical body, and non-QB top 10 picks are for prototypical bodies.


Right, Vontae was thick, almost a bit stumpy. Very different body getting to elite CB performance in a different way.

Both Vontae and Spoon are hall of fame trash talkers though. I lived in Scott Hall with Vontae his freshman year, one of the biggest personalities you'll ever meet.
Man, with how grumpy you get, I would have never taken you for someone in their mid-30s...;)
 
#72      
One big plus countering his slight frame is that Spoon lays the lumber at every possible opportunity, and I can't remember him ever missing substantial time with injury.
"But what about his ability to come up and support in the run game, how can a guy built like that tackle on the edge?"

<rolls the tape on the hit of the year in college football against Indiana>
 
#75      
A lot of chatter on Stroud returning to Ohio State
Live look in on Ryan Poles

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