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illini80

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IanKEvans2 said:
This is true, and yet the Giants have won 4 titles since the Bears' days of 1985 yore.
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But they also had 2 borderline Hall of Fame QB’s during that time. The Bears have had 1 borderline average QB during the same period.
 
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Remainder of Week 18 Schedule (per NFL.com):

Pittsburgh at Baltimore 1:00
Cincinnati at Cleveland 1:00
Green Bay at Detroit 1:00
Tennessee at Houston 1:00
Indianapolis at Jacksonville 1:00
Chicago at Minnesota 1:00
Washington at New York Giants 1:00
Seattle at Arizona 4:25
New Orleans at Atlanta 4:25
New York Jets at Buffalo 4:25
San Francisco at L.A. Rams 4:25
New England at Miami 4:25
Carolina at Tampa Bay 4:25
 
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IllinoisssssssVarsity said:
Antonio Brown is the walking confirmation that football = CTE.

I know the research is young but hopefully soon we’ll be able to diagnose cte in living patients.
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Maybe, but they signed him and he’s always been character.
 
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Washington Football Team to announce what team's nickname will be going forward on February 2nd. Co-CEO Tanya Snyder (Daniel Snyder's wife) confirmed on Schefter's podcast back in September that the final eight candidates, at that time, were Armada, Presidents, Brigade, Red Hogs, Commanders, RedWolves, Defenders and Football Team.

The only one that it's been confirmed since that they won't be able to use is RedWolves as Wolves is already a trademark held by another team so they couldn't use that, or by association RedWolves.
 
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Don't know if anyone else has heard about this but it would be pretty crazy if it happened:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478032317486612482

And don't think that it's unlikely that the Jags win. The Colts have not won in Jacksonville since 2014 (they didn't even beat them in a "home" game in London for the Jags in the years since).

There's also a scenario where the Raiders can be in before the Sunday night game if the Colts lose and the Ravens win.
 
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IllinoisssssssVarsity

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champaignchris said:
I’m starting to get concerned that Nagy is going to be fired, but Pace is going to be brought back.

What utter nonsense that would be.
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I read a rumor, not sure if it was here or somewhere else, that Pace had an agreement to bring someone in as HC when he was hired, but was told to hire someone else when he got there.

Idk if it’s true but I could definitely believe it because it’s about terrible decision making by bears upper management.

We’ve been pretty consistently bad through most GMs other than when we had Lovie coaching with Angelo as GM. At that point I really don’t know if it’s the GMs faults or the fault of those who have been above them the whole time.
 
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IllinoisssssssVarsity said:
I read a rumor, not sure if it was here or somewhere else, that Pace had an agreement to bring someone in as HC when he was hired, but was told to hire someone else when he got there.

Idk if it’s true but I could definitely believe it because it’s about terrible decision making by bears upper management.

We’ve been pretty consistently bad through most GMs other than when we had Lovie coaching with Angelo as GM. At that point I really don’t know if it’s the GMs faults or the fault of those who have been above them the whole time.
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I don’t know if Pace had his own head coach targeted, but Fox absolutely was an Ernie Accorsi hire and not Pace’s hire.

Go back in Bears history…. The GMs haven’t been allowed to hire their own coach for decades.

Finks quit when Halas hired Ditka without consulting him.

Vainisi was a lawyer who negotiated contracts, with Ditka and Tobin doing the actual player personnel decisions. He was fired because he apparently didn’t get along with Mike McCaskey.

The Bears then didn’t have a GM for almost a decade and a half with the head coaches and player personnel directors sharing those duties.

PPD Hatley was mind-bogglingly allowed to stay on through the draft and then quit and joined the Packers. The Bears finally decided to modernize and bring in a real GM with Angelo, but with post-draft workouts beginning, he couldn’t bring in his own coach then. Then Jauron has his one fluky great season which bought him two more years. It wasn’t until year four in the job that Angelo was finally able to bring in his own coach. (This also began the trend of Bears GMs drafting first round QBs heading into the head coach’s dead-man-walking season.)

When Emory was hired, he was required to keep Smith on mainly due to the amount left on Smith’s contract. You knew Emory wanted to make a change because after 1 season, he fired Smith despite a 10-6 record.

And then see above with Pace.

So if they bring in a new GM and Pace is retained in some other capacity, the question will always be there, whose hire is the coach? How does the chain of command work? Who is responsible to whom? This has been a persistent problem with the Bears org for decades.
 
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I could add, the chain of command issues in the Bears org go back even further than what I wrote. You had internal battles between Finks’ Minnesota people and the old time Bears people back in the mid-70s.

I think the org was a one man show with Papa Bear for so long, they simply never had the time to build the infrastructure of a modern sports team. They’ve been playing catch up for decades ever since he stepped away from coaching for the last time in the mid-60s.

Bears ownership seems to have this quaint, almost charming naivety that this multi-billion dollar sports franchise can still be run like an old factory town sports club and don’t seem to recognize that the teams that keep beating them into the dirt are being run like the actual massive business enterprises that they are.
 
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If Pace was not allowed to hire a head coach at the beginning then he should have either not taken the job or resigned if he had been promised to be allowed to hire his own guy. Hub Arkush has said many times this nonsense that Fox wasn't Pace's choice so Nagy was his first real hire. If Fox wasn't OK with Pace then he should not have taken the job.
 
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Today's the 20th anniversary of one of the greatest big man moments in NFL history:


My favorite part of that clip is him trying to pass it off to Jerry Azumah and Azumah's like "nah, I'm good. You take it'.

It's also the 3rd anniversary of the double doink:


The thing I love about that clip is Staley's reaction to it all.
 
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