Central IL Illini
- Springfield, IL
I agree, and I also dont think this is a bad thing. Why should players like Kofi Cockburn have to subsidize non revenue sports?
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They wouldn't. And that extra endorsement money has been a factor for a number of players over the years, but I think far less these days. When you've got 50M salary, adding 2 in endorsements isn't much of a factor.
While NIL is classified as "endorsement" money, it really isn't. Look how few "endorsements" we're actually seeing. It's wink and a nod money.
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How many college players are likely to make 1 million a year as a result of NIL????
I realize NIL is wink and nod money, players get $$ for stopping by a tailgate party for example. I guess I'm thinking more about when (not if) schools start paying athletes. Will NIL look more like pro endorsements where the payer wants some return for their $ or do you think the fact that $ is probably coming from boosters changes the calculus?
Thanks Dan. Well started!
Non-revenue sports may start to look like high level club sports. Less schollys, local/regional travel, less perks. Still given opportunity to compete, but less subsidies from mens fb/bb.
'Elite' Majors will always be up there around the top, regardless of anything else going on. As it has always been, new rules or no-new-rules. The big name recognition programs just develop so much generational momentum that it’s very hard to fall off that high perch. And those names have so much street cred that everyone knows them and wants to play for them.
And lesser programs within those conferences will just benefit by default whether they have good ball programs or not just by being around.
Mid-majors will always be mid-majors with only the occasional mid-major having a charismatic coach or some other special draw for top players that lets it rise up to the upper reaches for some stretch of time.
So this idea of a mid-major becoming a ‘farm team’ for an Elite program is interesting. This kind of partnership could benefit both institutions and the players. This has been a beneficial setup in all the professional sports... and College ball has become a quasi-professional sport for some time now both in football and basketball. There’s no obvious reason why it wouldn’t work at the college level.
If a player doesn’t want to accept an ‘assignment’ to an Elite programs mid-major partner school, he will always have the right to make a better deal for himself either at a higher level or just somewhere else more to his liking. Nothing is infringing on his freedom in any way.
But this does establish something. This could also be a good development program for teaching a style of basketball and developing coaches. There could be a more seamless way of teaching skills and a style of play that is common to both programs (such as, ‘The Illini Way’ ala Brad-style, or the 'Wisky Way', etc.)
And the ‘Elite’ school could develop their next coach at the mid-major level rather than simply enter into insane high-dollar bidding to bring in an outside guy.
Again... since this has worked well at the professional level it should work at the college level since the game today is now quasi-pro anyway.
It will be very interesting to see where this goes. And it shouldn't hurt the player's interest in any way.
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Yes. It's very good for Kofi. I'm happy for him. That's why I said I'm not convinced it's good for college basketball, not Kofi Cockburn.
On the gossip level, I was intrigued when in talking about the BIG and its members he said
Some schools took a let's wait and see how this breaks attitude and they are far behind the curve
Some, I am assuming football schools like PSU and Neb, are struggling to find NIL sponsorship for basketball
and the most important point "Illinois hit the ground running" Thank you JW
Some schools took a let's wait and see how this breaks attitude and they are far behind the curve
Some, I am assuming football schools like PSU and Neb, are struggling to find NIL sponsorship for basketball
and the most important point "Illinois hit the ground running" Thank you JW
Or maybe Texas Tech?
Nah. We don't want to piss off TTU. Let Meatchicken keep pissing off other schools so players keep coming our way.
We are witnessing first hand the death of college sports as its’ been known for the last 100 years. Once the revenue sports (MBB & FB) go pro (which is what we are witnessing today), all of the other sports will revert to club sports, which is probably more aligned with the mission of academia anyway. The NBA and the NFL are going to have to figure a way around this - I don’t think Emmett’s retirement (however much overdue) is a consequence - he doesn’t want to oversea the demise of college athletics.
Serious question for those that think NIL is going to kill college sports: how? Please describe the chain reaction whereby players getting compensated for their contributions to a multi-billion dollar industry kills the golden goose. I honestly don't understand. The same prognostications were made about free agency in pro sports, and those leagues are more profitable than ever.
If it's about some notion of the sanctity of amateurism and academia, then college conferences should turn down tv deals and televise on public access, and schools can stop paying millions to full-time coaching staffs. They can be coached by volunteer college professors instead. Why do these arguments about money only extend to the players?
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The post you responded to didn't say death of college sports. It was "as we've known it "
I think that's pretty much a given. Whether you like it or not is your deal.
Maybe re-read the last sentence of that post as well.
What @BretMyBeachHouse said.
I don’t see why the two sides are seen as mutually exclusive. I can understand the underlying economics just fine, and want fairness for the players. I can also lament the end of college sports as I’ve known it.
Why does it ‘hurt more’ now that it is players? Because they are playing the game. They are the student-athletes. Generations of Illinois students and alumni cheered for Illinois teams, there was a shared bond (no matter how tenuous in the last couple decades) – those players went to school with me.
I will have much less heartfelt interest in semi-pro or minor-league feeder teams than I did in the past. So be it – the players have a right to earn what they can.
And as another poster put it a couple weeks ago (and better than I am saying here), there is a larger question about why universities should be in the business of sports at all, if the concept of the student-athlete is completely thrown out (rather than partially as I know it has been for many years).
Guess the best hope now is that Illinois basketball ends up on the right side of things, like the mega-SEC in football after UT and OU join. But it still won’t feel the same.
I don’t see why the two sides are seen as mutually exclusive. I can understand the underlying economics just fine, and want fairness for the players. I can also lament the end of college sports as I’ve known it.
Why does it ‘hurt more’ now that it is players? Because they are playing the game. They are the student-athletes. Generations of Illinois students and alumni cheered for Illinois teams, there was a shared bond (no matter how tenuous in the last couple decades) – those players went to school with me.
I will have much less heartfelt interest in semi-pro or minor-league feeder teams than I did in the past. So be it – the players have a right to earn what they can.
And as another poster put it a couple weeks ago (and better than I am saying here), there is a larger question about why universities should be in the business of sports at all, if the concept of the student-athlete is completely thrown out (rather than partially as I know it has been for many years).
Guess the best hope now is that Illinois basketball ends up on the right side of things, like the mega-SEC in football after UT and OU join. But it still won’t feel the same.
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
This money is a drop in the bucket compared to the money made off of these athletes over the last three decades.
There are reports that the B1G could command up to $1 Billion annually for it's next tv contract after the current one (6 years/2.64 B) expires in 2023.
That's one billion per year for one major conferences' media rights. Just try and imagine where those amounts of money go.
The kids deserve Every. Single. Penny.
There are reports that the B1G could command up to $1 Billion annually for it's next tv contract after the current one (6 years/2.64 B) expires in 2023.
That's one billion per year for one major conferences' media rights. Just try and imagine where those amounts of money go.
The kids deserve Every. Single. Penny.
Future Walk-On
- Peoria, IL
It basically was
Here is $200,000+ for an education, room and board, and food, and the finest facilities for honing your skills to maybe one day make a living playing your sport. If you don't make it pro you have a world class education and experience. We will give this to you because our alumni will love you and spend tons of money watching.
Let's stop acting like these kids were victims of some evil scheme.
Even if Overtime Elite has money and future scholarship money available, that is reserved for 0.1% of HS basketball players.
Here is $200,000+ for an education, room and board, and food, and the finest facilities for honing your skills to maybe one day make a living playing your sport. If you don't make it pro you have a world class education and experience. We will give this to you because our alumni will love you and spend tons of money watching.
Let's stop acting like these kids were victims of some evil scheme.
Even if Overtime Elite has money and future scholarship money available, that is reserved for 0.1% of HS basketball players.
Yes, like most conservative people/institutions/etc., fear of the "new" and change kept them from addressing a glaring problem. While the sat on there hands hoping to keep the status quo forever, the reality that change happens passed them by.
Future Walk-On
- Peoria, IL
Perhaps there is plenty of money that can be better distributed, but you could argue that for literally every company/business in the world.
Also IMO, the price of college is ridiculous and a scam all in itself.
Also IMO, the price of college is ridiculous and a scam all in itself.
IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
This part right here. If other developed nations (and even under-developed ones) have figured out how to make a quality education that costs less/next to nothing, there's no reason we couldn't figure it out, too.
IlliniSaluki
- IL metro east burbs of St. Louis
I think the original post you were responding to is referring to more than just basketball and football. I agree with that post and others that non-revenue sports will be negatively impacted. I would expect DIA donations to decrease as big-money boosters don't want to get "double-dipped" contributing to both NIL and the DIA, and if the DIA has less money I don't see how that doesn't result in cuts for the non-revenue sports. Did Title IX simply expand college sports for women without resulting in fewer men's sports?
Even if you don't agree with that logic or care about non-revenue sports, is anyone happy to see college players openly demanding more money backed by a threat to transfer? Every single transfer into a top program is going to come with a NIL money guarantee, and that will then have a ripple effect on the rest of the roster. In the NBA and NFL, you can be salty about what the new free agent received to sign with your team, but you either have to suck it up until your own contract is over or hold out. In the new NIL NCAA, you can enter free agency immediately via the portal. I don't think that's a sustainable system. Time will tell.
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