North Carolina Academic Fraud Investigation

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RockfordIllini

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I think Barkley had a great point with this scandal. He pointed out that everyone is so concerned with giving athletes extra, but not giving them an education is actually a far more egregious offense. Sure, a few will go on to the pros and become millionaires, but the vast majority will have to use their education. If a school isn't giving them the education in exchange for playing the sport, that should have far more severe consequences than giving any sort of impermissible benefits.
 
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Smacko

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HuskerIllini said:
Once at campus it doesn't take long to find out what the "easy" classes are. I know that we had "Rocks for Jocks" at Nebraska and of course History of Jazz.

So, who knows if it was started just for players or not but either way it seems pretty clear that the players were getting major "help".
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There is a difference between easy classes and classes that are completely fraudulent. As others have said, most schools steer kids towards classes that will make it easier for them to maintain eligibility, and that is fine. That is not what was happening in this case.
 
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Smacko said:
There is a difference between easy classes and classes that are completely fraudulent. As others have said, most schools steer kids towards classes that will make it easier for them to maintain eligibility, and that is fine. That is not what was happening in this case.
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Of totally agree. This seems like they actually made up these fake classes.
 
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Second and Chalmers said:
The line can be blurrier than you think.

This UNC situation seems clearly on the fraudulent side of the line, though.
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See, I agree with this 100%

Now, I am sure we have all heard stories about "back in the day" but it probably goes on today as well...where a professor loves "the program" and will make sure that athletes get good grades. I am sure that the advisers also push some players towards classes where they know they will be taken care of a little bit more.

Again, the UNC thing, if it is is true, just seems like they were just flat out handing out grades.
 
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icengineer

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HuskerIllini said:
Again, the UNC thing, if it is is true, just seems like they were just flat out handing out grades.
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No seems like about it. They were definitely handing out grades to the athletes. The brother and sister (who's name I forget) as well as the lady who assisted/'tutored' the athletes have said as much. Whether the regular students who enrolled (maybe they actually attended class :noidea:) were afforded the same easy grader or not I don't think has been addressed publicly.
 
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sinmyp

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The whole thing stinks. The NCAA is complete and utter Bull $h!t. All they do is enable a select handful of programs and systematically hold others down. We unfortunately are in the latter. They should be investigated for Racketeering just like the mafia.
 
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Adnarel

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Nothing is going to happen as a result of this. Might as well accept it, y'all.
 
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drillini

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It is such a joke. Nothing will happen. No question in my mind the Roy Williams knew exactly what was happening and encouraged it. In that article it stated how most of the key players on that 2005 team were enrolled in those classes during the 2nd semester. Basically they had no classes to attend and no homework to do during that basketball season and tournament. A huge advantage.
 
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Ol' Roy pleading ignorance is the most absurd aspect of this mess. Right up there with Bill Clinton saying " I did not have sex with this woman".
 
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NCAA sets Oct. 28 hearing date for UNC academic case

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...g-date-north-carolina-tar-heels-academic-case
The hearing will focus on procedural arguments made by the school in its response to five serious charges instead of whether violations occurred in the multi-year case. The school released correspondence Friday from the NCAA that set the hearing date in Indianapolis.
"The panel will not discuss the underlying facts or allegations for the purpose of finding facts, concluding whether violations occurred or prescribing penalties," the letter states.
The hearing date is five years to the day of the school's previous meeting with an infractions committee panel, which handled a probe launched in 2010 focused on improper benefits and academic misconduct within the football program. The academic case grew as an offshoot of that probe starting in fall 2011.
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At this rate . . .
 
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bleedsorangenblue

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Guess it is not over til it is over. Good article released today outlining where this case stands. It appears that the NCAA has taken exception to North Carolina attorney's hard line approach.

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article110315307.html

"That cooperative spirit wasn’t in evidence Tuesday, when newly released correspondence showed the NCAA no longer views the university as a partner in the investigation. It instead cited the university’s “willful violations” and “blatant disregard” for NCAA regulations."
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Executive Summary - The NCAA has known about our phony classes for years and has done nothing. It is too late to do anything now.

Pretty gutsy defense, given that the NCAA is both judge and prosecutor here.
 
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FiveStar

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whovous said:
Executive Summary - The NCAA has known about our phony classes for years and has done nothing. It is too late to do anything now.

Pretty gutsy defense, given that the NCAA is both judge and prosecutor here.
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Thought the same thing while reading it. UNC basically said its your fault you didn't know we were cheating when you looked.
 
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mhuml32

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TeamworkOrange said:
Mary Willingham (whistleblower) received a $335K settlement, which probably includes a gag order, so who knows if she'll be of any use at this point?
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I'm pretty sure she has written a book and given multiple speeches (I have attended one) on her experience in this scandal, so I'm guessing she either doesn't have a gag order or it's limited in scope.
 
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icengineer

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mhuml32 said:
I'm pretty sure she has written a book and given multiple speeches (I have attended one) on her experience in this scandal, so I'm guessing she either doesn't have a gag order or it's limited in scope.
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Isn't a 'gag order' a private agreement between two parties? If someone gets subpoenaed to testify is this gag order even relevant? I can see how it would be if this is all strictly an NCAA thing, but is this even in a federal or state court of any kind? If it isn't what prevents it from being so?
 
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EJ33

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Irish face NCAA wrath, while UNC remains on the lam

Remember North Carolina? The Tar Heels have been mired in a massive academic fraud scandal going back more than two decades that has led to five NCAA charges, a corruption scandal far more troubling and far-reaching than the substitute schoolwork that went on at Notre Dame. Heck, what the Irish did sounds downright quaint by comparison.

Yet, the NCAA has still not levied any punishment on Tobacco Road, allowing the case to devolve into a legal mumbo-jumbo that seems to be sending a clear message to future rule-breakers: it's best to delay, delay and delay some more.

It's now been more than six years since the NCAA first arrived in Chapel Hill to investigate allegations of improper benefits and academic misconduct within the football program.
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WesterveltVictoryCigar

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NCAA gives UNC yet another amended notification of allegations, resetting the clock once again...

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. --- North Carolina has received another notice of allegations from the NCAA, according to multiple sources close to the situation.
This new notice - the third notice of allegations in the case - could be announced as soon as this week.
Sources confirm this new version reinstates aspects of the original first notice that were then altered for the amended notice. That amended notice, which was released on April 25, replaced the impermissible benefits allegation with a failure to monitor academic support charge and removed all references to the men’s basketball and football programs.
UNC met with the Committee on Infractions on Oct. 28 for what was deemed a procedural hearing to review UNC's response to the amended notice of allegations. UNC's Aug. 1 response forcefully argued that the NCAA wasn't following its own constitution and bylaws.
Should UNC opt to follow the protocol for the investigative process, this new amended notice of allegations resets the timeline for a resolution. The school has 90 days to respond to the notice, and the NCAA then has 60 days to provide a response to the COI, which then schedules a hearing to review and rule on the case.

Kick the can down the road...
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Hoppy2105

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Maybe the NCAA will keep doing this until everyone who was alive when all of this went down has died. Then they can just drop it like nothing ever happened.
 
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