North Carolina Academic Fraud Investigation
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hooraybeer
- Pittsburgh, PA
unfortunately as with all forms of cheating UNC got to experience winning the national title that season and nothing will ever change that.
We wouldn't get a title, but would it at least make us 37-1 instead of 37-2?
According to the ESPN story, 5 other players, besides McCants, were enrolled in 30 something lecture classes that supposedly never met. So basically they did not go to school at all.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...investigation-academic-scandal-north-carolina
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...investigation-academic-scandal-north-carolina
As they say, though, you can't "unring the bell". And we'll never get to celebrate winning it.
It'll only matter now if they can tie it to Roy. Like he wouldn't know, if none of his kids actually went to school, and they all took fake classes. But he'll deny, nevertheless.
It'll only matter now if they can tie it to Roy. Like he wouldn't know, if none of his kids actually went to school, and they all took fake classes. But he'll deny, nevertheless.
I don't know if this applies to Roy specifically, but all these coaches are total control freaks, but when something goes wrong, they profess to not have any clue.
Joel Goodson
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Oh, the irony! Anal to the nth and then pull a Sgt. Schultz.
I hope NC gets hammered. How bad of a hit did Minny take w/Clem and their academic scandal?
The cynic in me says that even if they get hammered, the NCAA will reduce their sanctions after a year or two, a la PSU.
I get a kick out of that too. If proved true just means Ole Roy and his aw shucks act is just that.
There should be a "Professional Athlete" major with an emphasis on financial planning, money management, leadership, coaching skills, etc.
That way athlete-students don't have to pretend to be enrolled in a real degree program.
Then, in order to move on to a professional team, they should be required to complete their PA degree program.
It's much less of a sham than what exists now.
That way athlete-students don't have to pretend to be enrolled in a real degree program.
Then, in order to move on to a professional team, they should be required to complete their PA degree program.
It's much less of a sham than what exists now.
The NCAA has a student saying he didn't do his own work and that other teammates didn't do their own work with the coaching staff having knowledge of it. They also have Mary Willingham as a witness.
What exactly would they need? Three ex-players and three ex-staff members? Or would they need UNC to confess?
Its all about public opinion, I guess, and how it would affect profit, right?
FeelYourPaign
- So Cal
I think that is a pretty interesting idea, except for the requirement of a PA degree to get a pro job. Just like an engineer can better themselves with a Masters, but it isn't required, a PA needn't be required. But it sounds useful (not really a full college degree, imo, but whatever) and I like it better than the fakery.
Illinithad
- Northeast Missouri
It all comes down to who it is. If it's someone like Minnesota (who got hammered), that's one thing. But this is North Carolina. The NCAA (which I have no faith in or respect for) will not do anything substantial...just my opinion.
These type of classes should actually be required of ALL students.
I think we would be doing them, society and our economy a great favor.
Two to three basic classes over four years should be enough for a foundation IMO.
Only those coaches who care.
Otherwise,you might actually be held accountable if you assign someone to monitor students and they actually do not attend
JHollywood
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So two months ago McCants outs UNC about all this and the NCAA still hasn't even contacted him?!?!
"PA degree" or equivalent.
Obviously a real degree would suffice.
At least this way they would have a reason to attend class and better themselves.
Yeah, you'd think an investigator that's a UNC alum would jump at the chance to chat with a member of the national championship* team!
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In the time it's taken for this to move, the NCAA could have audited the classes and exposed the whole thing with a modicum of data. Now the program's had plenty of time to circle the wagons and find different ways to cheat. :tsk:
How is UNC hoops any different from USC football?
IMHO, USC football was arrogant and basically gave the proverbial finger to the NCAA. I feel that is why they got hammered.
Actually, didn't the Feds get involved, similar to Michigan? IOW it left the NCAA little choice but to go after USC.
UNC, it depends on how the initial investigation was handled. If they covered up these issues, big problems with the NCAA. If they simply " couldn't find any problems, but gosh darn it we tried," the NCAA will give them a slap on the wrist.
All my humble opinion but I feel UNC will have to have shown complicity in this case, not just " incompetence." Tongue in cheek on the incompetence stance
I am going to disagree with you on what the NCAA may do. Dont kid yourself; Penn State football is / was? among the elite programs; and the NCAA brought the hammer down on them. Anything can happen.
Joel Goodson
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No worries. If the NCAA actually brings the hammer down, they'll assign the penalties to UNC Wilmington.
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
Or probably to UIUC, because Chevy Blazer.
I might be wrong on this but I thought the NCAA conducted the initial investigation well over a year ago. They identified the specifics of the 'no show classes' in the AA department. However the NCAA determined that since other/non-athlete students could take the 'no show classes' there were no violations, no academic fraud.
The logic or rather absence of logic in the NCAA's determination still escapes me. But there is no accountability in this situation so everyone was happy until ESPN and McCants resurrected this issue and expanded upon the allegations.
The point being, since UNC was apparently compliant with the NCAA in the initial investigation there will likely be no repercussions specific to the first investigation. The NCAA just wants this to go away and I'm certain that any consequences experienced by UNC will be designed to appease the public and have no real substance.
dsboyce
- Golden, IL
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