Northwestern has fired coach Pat Fitzgerald

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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
If even 10% of this is true, Fitz would be an idiot to take this to court. The university has the upper hand here.
Fitz undoubtedly knows where some other skeletons are buried. NW most assuredly does not want a lawsuit about this . Agree to a number where everything is covered in a non disclosure agreement and Fitz goes away quietly.

Things are seldom black and white.
 
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Illini2010-11

Sugar Grove
If even 10% of this is true, Fitz would be an idiot to take this to court. The university has the upper hand here.
It would most certainly go through court or settlement process if Fitz is fired for cause with no settlement up front. Even the lasagna loving idiot, Tim Beckman, eventually got 1/3 of his contractual buyout seven months after the fact ($250,000 out of the contractual amount of $743,000) through a settlement. It comes down to mutual parting of ways (settlement up front) or firing with cause (eventual settlement in coming months).

It is a PR nightmare for Northwestern, regardless of the route taken.
 
#231      
I believe that Barry Lunney, Jr. is in the process this week of appropriating the term to christen his new red zone alternative strategy to running the ball up the gut three consecutive times.

Too soon (on either side)?

Definitely not too soon, it's NU.

Hopefully when we play NU, "naked slingshot" is at least one of the formations or fake audible calls that Altmyer is repeatedly yelling out (kind of like "Omaha"!)
 
#232      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky
Time to clean out the athletic department at NU.

Boosters allowed to sit in on interviews and give their thoughts on a hiring of a coach , any coach , is beyond absurd.........

The words attributed to the Assistant A,D. are very troubling to me.....I sincerely hope and pray that this disease never creeps into the Illini programs......

JMHO..................
 
#233      
There's a fine line. I played for a raging, profane tyrant in high school and admired him. He was not toxic or belittling but ventured close to that line. He brought out the best in his players and they'd go to the mat for him. It took restraint for guys like him not to cross the line. He had it. Others didn't.

I recall a top Ohio HS player of my day who chose to play at Indiana. Bob Knight grabbed his crotch in the locker room at halftime once and demanded to know if he were a man. The player ultimately transferred but only after three seasons in that environment.

It was indeed a different age. And the ugliness of college football has historically extended far beyond the locker room.

[As an aside, alas Fitz is not a Boomer. He's sadly of my Gen X cohort. And, yes, there can be a world of difference. Won't quibble with the "whiny" modifier, however.]
What Knight did to Uwe Blab was similar but just as bad, as what he did to Giomi if that who you were speaking about. Knight was very unhinged in the 80's
 
#234      
Forget poaching recruits. If Fitz and his staff get fired the NCAA will have to let all the players transfer.

Mike Leach got fired from Texas Tech for how his trainer treated Craig James son for possible concussion.

Gang dry humping of freshman, naked gauntlet, etc. Its not pedo University but its not good. Can't see how Fitz survives this. If there was ever reasonable cause for termination in 2023- this is it.
 
#237      

altgeld88

Arlington, Virginia
Glad to hear that I'm not the only toxic culture creator on Earth.......................I really really am................

The times seemed so much simpler when it was just bikini and Rooks pic.............Where's that hot tub time machine.....??
IMO, Pru, the NU revelations serve to remind us what's worth getting truly agitated about.
 
#238      
As a former journalist, I look askance at many young journalists who want to be influencers, content creators and activists instead of reporting the facts without passion or predjuice. But I must way a hearty "well done" to these kids who did the legwork, sourced the story, double checked it, and reported without editoralizing. That is how one should be a journalist.

 
#239      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky
IMO, Pru, the NU revelations serve to remind us what's worth getting truly agitated about.
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#240      

GrayGhost77

Centennial, CO
Boosters allowed to sit in on interviews and give their thoughts on a hiring of a coach , any coach , is beyond absurd.........

The words attributed to the Assistant A,D. are very troubling to me.....I sincerely hope and pray that this disease never creeps into the Illini programs......

JMHO..................
Josh is way too smart for that, thankfully.
 
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I have thought for a long time that there probably isn't any program in major college sports where the head coach could survive the program's internal dirty laundry being aired in public, especially in the current era with the current sensitivities.

That being said, this all seems very emblematic of a way of maintaining discipline that is archaic and of a bygone age, and speaks to a head coach who has never evolved from the viewpoint of a mid-90's linebacker.

Maintaining discipline and standards is still the essential lifeblood of a competitive sports team, especially football, but in this day and age it's all about professionalization and bringing the attitude and expectations of a professional to sports at a younger and younger age.

There are things to not like about that as well, money, transfers, lack of loyalty, but that mindset can keep these young meatheaded jocks in line by the same token as the old ways of bullying and hierarchy. It's not a coincidence that the same Fitz that has been a whiny Boomer every step of the way on player empowerment is fostering this kind of culture behind the scenes, two sides of the same coin.

Thankfully I think Bielema, especially the older, somewhat chastened, NFL-experienced version we have, brings a bit of the best of both worlds. He unquestionably takes a modern, professionalized view of his players, but he also brings sincerity in his relationships with them, he's professional but not purely transactional.

Anyway, there's really no way for this story to go bad for us. Either Fitz survives with his reputation punctured, or a weakened and fractured Northwestern goes searching for a sacrificial lamb to take a dead-end job. All good.
Absolutely nailed it.
 
#242      

WWWWRocU

Herndon, VA
Fitz undoubtedly knows where some other skeletons are buried. NW most assuredly does not want a lawsuit about this . Agree to a number where everything is covered in a non disclosure agreement and Fitz goes away quietly.

Things are seldom black and white.
Or in this case , purple and white!
 
#244      
Having the guts to publish in the face of a probably hostile student body and administration is very impressive.

I have to give credit to the whistleblower as well. Going public was the only way to stop this hazing.

I noticed that the Northwestern University did not deny the incidents or even admit what the hazing was in their report.

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2 years ago was a terrible hazing at Mater Dei HS (5x USA national champs). Kid almost died because coach did not report to parents that he had sustained concussion in locker room beating by 100 lb heavier lineman. Incident was buried by school, diocese and local police. President of school and new AD resigned in part because they could not terminate the coach. Mater Dei let him coach one more season.

 
#245      
Or in this case , purple and white!
From the Northwestern University Policy on Hazing:
"Failure of an individual in a leadership role or position of power to address and/or report an act of hazing committed against another individual may also be considered an abuse of power and a violation of this policy. Silent participation in the presence of hazing are not neutral acts; they are violations of this policy."
 
#246      
I'm still trying to wrap my head around Northwestern hiring a baseball coach with basically a .500 record and had a kid die on his watch simply because two old boosters thought the players needed a "disciplinarian" like the one they played for 40 years ago.

This wasn't Augie Garrido. It was just a guy. A guy they could have gotten anywhere. A guy that they could have swapped with dozens of other guys that didn't have a player die on his watch.
 
#247      

Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
I'm still trying to wrap my head around Northwestern hiring a baseball coach with basically a .500 record and had a kid die on his watch simply because two old boosters thought the players needed a "disciplinarian" like the one they played for 40 years ago.

This wasn't Augie Garrido. It was just a guy. A guy they could have gotten anywhere. A guy that they could have swapped with dozens of other guys that didn't have a player die on his watch.
The sad take away from this is
a. you almost always need to appease boosters
b no one better qualified wanted the job ( fwiw, think UI football in November 2011)
 
#248      
Sounds like the NW athletic director, and NW baseball coach will be joining Fitz in the unemployment line soon.

Talk about lack of institutional control. I am sure this is not what the new NW president was expecting when he came from Univ of Oregon. He is a law professor so I am sure he will be using his education/experience a lot on NW athletics for next few months.
 
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