OTL Report on Michigan State

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FeelYourPaign
Second and Chalmers said:
Not knowing the intimate details of a recruitment is more plausible of deniability than not know disciplinary information about you on-campus players. There's no way around that knowledge for a head coach.
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I agree with you, but it sounds like the MSU administration tries to avoid having anything filed and on record, in which case the head coach could legitimately avoid knowing anything, at least officially. Which is just one more dimension of the cultural problem at MSU (probably).
 
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Second and Chalmers said:
Not knowing the intimate details of a recruitment is more plausible of deniability than not know disciplinary information about you on-campus players. There's no way around that knowledge for a head coach.
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Exactly.

In my view, it's not a matter of whether Izzo knew this stuff was alleged to have happened. It's a matter of how he responded -- especially if there's any inkling that these things did indeed occur.
 
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Second and Chalmers said:
Not knowing the intimate details of a recruitment is more plausible of deniability than not know disciplinary information about you on-campus players. There's no way around that knowledge for a head coach.
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And it is the head coach's responsibility to meet with administration to ensure any charges are made known to him. This is called accountability for your players and your program. Its not enough to say "they didn't tell me" - you have to go above and beyond that to ensure all know when players have been accused. Sticking your head in the sand and 'hoping' that nothing is going on is not enough given the history of college age young men/boys let alone college male athletes. Claiming "I didn't know" means you're not trying.
 
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sbillini
IlliniJim20 said:
But if players are never reported, because someone down the line makes sure their names never get out, then how is a coach to know?
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It's very possible that Izzo never knew of this instance directly. If he wanted to know and told administration that he did so he could handle those situations and they chose not to tell him, then, yes, you could make an argument that Izzo couldn't do much.

But if he, along with administration/DIA established a "don't ask don't tell" culture about these types of situations where there's an understanding that administration handles these situations the way they did without Izzo ever knowing about it, then that's a big problem for him and a lot of other people.

Ultimately, given how well known Izzo is, how much power/connections he likely has at the school, and how well he knows his players (like any coach), I'd bet it's more likely the latter is true.

Note, the above doesn't regard whether what the girl is accusing the players of is true or not. Really, in this case, that's somewhat secondary. Obviously if it's true it's horrible. But the key (and just as scary) issue here is how the school handled it, and that's likely much easier to prove than whether the actual act happened or not.
 
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Ransom Stoddard
TALKTOCHUCK said:
Some things can not stand. This is one of those things. When JFG threw Nunn off the team, that was a great moment in ILLINI basketball because he did the right thing and it probably put the dagger in his career. Given the situation at MSU now, this will not stand and I do think Izzo goes down.
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I 100% support this statement, but I'm also very much under the belief that winning excuses a lot of egregious behavior in the eyes of the fanbase. Paterno, Pitino, Calipari, SEC and the ACC Florida football programs, etc.

BTW, there seems to be a pattern with coaches whose name ends in a vowel that isn't a silent "e."
 
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IlliniBrave75
Larry Nassar victim accuses MSU interim president of offering secret payoff

At a meeting Friday where Michigan State interim president John Engler said he regrets the way the school handled its response Wednesday to a recent sexual assault lawsuit, a different survivor of sexual assault publicly accused Engler of bullying her in a private meeting weeks ago.

Kaylee Lorincz, a 19-year-old gymnast who testified in court that former Michigan State doctor and convicted sexual predator Larry Nassar abused her, said Engler offered her $250,000 when discussing an ongoing civil lawsuit against the university and pressured her to "give me a number."

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...interim-president-john-engler-offering-payoff
 
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rockillini
IlliniBrave75 said:
Larry Nassar victim accuses MSU interim president of offering secret payoff

At a meeting Friday where Michigan State interim president John Engler said he regrets the way the school handled its response Wednesday to a recent sexual assault lawsuit, a different survivor of sexual assault publicly accused Engler of bullying her in a private meeting weeks ago.

Kaylee Lorincz, a 19-year-old gymnast who testified in court that former Michigan State doctor and convicted sexual predator Larry Nassar abused her, said Engler offered her $250,000 when discussing an ongoing civil lawsuit against the university and pressured her to "give me a number."

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/...interim-president-john-engler-offering-payoff
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Not a good look. The pile just keeps getting bigger. How much can they take before it all collapses.
 
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