Penn State 90, Illinois 89 Postgame

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#926      
As fans this is frustrating, I imagine it is multiplied exponentially for individuals close to the program putting their blood, sweat and tears into this program. I appreciate the window into the behind the scenes and don’t think we need to read extra into the presence or absence of certain posters.
 
#927      
I thought the first half we had an interesting rotation and it was nice to see players get some time

Biggest issue with last night line ups

When Ty wasn’t on the floor we didn’t get the rebounds and the flow changed. He needs to learn not to commit unnecessary fouls

Harmon defense is a liability but he can make free throws and adds to the offense

Goode normally makes a couple hustle plays and is a 3 point. Surprisingly is a bad free throw shooter

We don’t really have a good big to back up Hawkins. When he goes out things change. I like DD and think he is good

That’s our 9 man rotation. Not sure but someone from the bench needs step up more than hitting 3s
 
#929      
I didn't chew anyone out, and the game play by play description gave a pretty good snapshot of what happened. I have watched the game since this morning, and while it was horrible basketball in the last 3 minutes or so, I stand by my comments. I can be wrong, I have many times before and will be again, but many of the comments were so far over the top that . . . .
 
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#931      
I really want this to be true. The problem is that another game like this is coming in late March. I'd love for you to save this post and rub my nose in it when we're playing an Elite 8 game. However we are probably going to be a 4 or 5 seed, win our first game, and then get whacked by the 12 or 13 seed that upset the other 4/5 in our bracket. Super hope I'm wrong but our inability to handle pressure and score field goals late in the games is going to come back to bite us a month from now. I would love for a reporter to specifically ask Brad why Ty isn't playing at the end of the game.
 
#932      
Goode missed that (truly wide wide open shot, defense overcommitted to TSJ pushing the break, same action as the last play before the half against Michigan) with 2:06 left leading by 8. He was 3-4 from three at that point, and had swished all three from that same spot in the corner.

Shooting that is absolutely the right decision and the higher expected value than playing for time, it's not even close.
Disagree 100%. Run 20 seconds off. Time is all that is important at that point. Dunk or layup great. Otherwise run it down under 10
 
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Is that true?
Per Derek Piper (via Jeremy Werner) at the 14:36 mark he shares the story.

 
#936      
Reading today’s posts I‘ve seen references to all the hot takes from yesterday. The staff defenders here need to realize yesterday’s commentary wasn’t a reaction to yesterdays game, or even this season.

These criticisms have been voiced for years by a growing minority and shouted down and drowned out by a defensive majority. The criticisms have grown to the point they’re now the majority, and they may seem knee jerk to some but they aren’t new. The excuses made on behalf of the staff have run their course and nothing left but for BU to shoulder all the blame.
 
#937      
Per Derek Piper (via Jeremy Werner) at the 14:36 mark he shares the story.

It's a good thing they are that pissed off. Hope they respond starting Saturday
 
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  • L at Penn State (90-89): 0 FG in the final 2:30. Penn State ended the game on a 20-7 run, erasing a 12-point lead in the final 8:00.
  • W at Maryland (85-80): 0 FG in the final 1:53. Illinois blew a 7-point lead and let Maryland tie the game twice.
  • L at Michigan State (88-80): 1 FG in the final 7:38. Michigan State ended the game on a 24-8 run, turning an 8-point Illinois lead into an 8-point Illinois loss.
  • W vs. Nebraska (87-84 OT): 0 FG in the final 3:29 (of regulation). Timeout heard around the world. Underwood calls a timeout to “set the defense.” Nebraska closes regulation on an 11-1 run to force OT. Marcus Domask made one free throw after Nebraska “fouled” him with under five seconds left.
  • L at Northwestern (96-91 OT): 1 FG in the final 3:29. Domask missed a 10-footer to win the game at the buzzer. Could not stop anyone in OT.
  • W vs.Michigan State (71-68): 1 FG for the final 5:29. No Terrence Shannon, Jr. for this game. Illinois gutted out a win.
  • Loss at Purdue (83-78): 0 FG in the final 3:06. Fake rally comes up short.
Total damage: 27:44 of game action - four total field goals made.

Oh my God.
That display is definitely not Pizza Hut Parking lot-worthy. No fight or bite late in these games. Instead we pucker up.

We have winners on this team, guys who have won at a high level. Are they apprehinsive? Why not the green light to do their thing? Overcoaching? This team seems to lack trust, 2-ways; Coaches to the players and players to the coaches. They need to do some trust falls and fast. I’m afraid that collapse was the tipping point and we‘ll never see this teams potential (Which absolutely bums me out). I really like this team but that loss was hard to watch.
 
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Except there is absolutely nothing statistically that shows Illinois is playing 4 on 5 when Ty is on the floor. Ty currently in B10 play has a 1.172ppp offensive efficiency on 18.9% possession share. That is good for 19th best within the B10. That is not the numbers of a black hole on offense or a void. By comparison, Coleman has a 1.232ppp offensive efficiency on 18.6% possession share in conference (7th best in the B10). If you look at offensive impact, Coleman is considered +3.6pts better offensively than the average player. Ty? +3.3.

You're making it seem Ty just drags the team down out there on offense, when that is far far far from the case. Ty statistically is Top 500 in offensive efficiency, just outside top 500 in effective field goal percentage, top 200 in offensive rebounding, he's our best rebounding guard, he's 2nd best assisting guard, our best guard in steals, our 2nd best guard in blocks, our 2nd best defensive guard.

So at what point do we actually appreciate Ty for what he is vs what imaginary guard you want him to be? I think everybody in the universe knows he's not going to walk out and be Steph Curry, but Ty just being Ty is damn good. You don't trust Ty for "reasons", those reasons being he's not a stereotypical PG and you don't trust that. Fine. But he's what we've freakin got. John Stockton ain't walking through the door this season. We need to just accept that and move on. TSJ isn't Michael Jordan and Coleman isn't Tim Duncan yet we still play them in crunch time. Why? Because they're the best we have and they're pretty damn good at what we do.

Honestly this Ty argument infuriates me. There is no basis in reality where he hasn't been one of our Top 5 players this season and he has done nothing to show he shouldn't be on the court to close a game out other than "reasons" where he's not some fans PG of choice, and that seems to include Brad. Just makes no sense to me, I'm sorry.
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Ty is my guy. I’m putting that on a button.
Do you hear us Brad??
 
#940      
If I ever see us run that godawful "football" inbounds play again I might punch a hole in my TV to be honest.

Has never worked consistently since we started using it. Leads to a coffin corner trap 70% of the time. Almost cost us last game too if we didn't get bailed out with a foul in the same situation.
In football they have learned to run a screen (illegal at times) to get open. We do not cut. Watch the film again after the Time Out where we get the ball in the corner yet watch CH. Does he ever move on the inbounds play?
 
#941      
Love that guy. This is what we need. Maybe make sure the current team sees this clip before the Iowa game.
Dre was literally the guy that turned us from the Groce era, absolute work horse and just a dude you would get behind every second.

Just want to say he is making about 300k in the top division of Spanish basketball and has close to a mil in career earning, still only 26 and years ahead of him. Having his best year yet. Full send on this guy!
 
#942      
Dre was literally the guy that turned us from the Groce era, absolute work horse and just a dude you would get behind every second.

Just want to say he is making about 300k in the top division of Spanish basketball and has close to a mil in career earning, still only 26 and years ahead of him. Having his best year yet. Full send on this guy!
When the season ended prematurely in 2020, I was most disappointed that I’d never get to watch Dre play in an Illini jersey again. Always felt like he was destined to will our team to a deep post season run…

Not surprised he’s still finding success on the court.
 
#946      

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This is all fair. I agree with almost all of it except that Feliz WAS NOT a legit point guard….More of a bulldozer than a John Stockton but still he was definitely a legit point guard…just in a little different mold.

As to your critique…it’s pretty hard to argue with any of that. Another commonality is that there’s been a lot of playing to the level of the competition with a bunch of his teams. He’s won plenty that he shouldn’t…but he’s lost plenty that he shouldn’t have as well.
He’s put us back on the map with: rebounding and defense…but we seem to have forgotten what put us there the last couple of years.

* (The defense was working this year, early…obviously but I just think it has been exposed.)
Yea, he was a bulldozer. He oftentimes just put his head down and ran into a crowd of people in the lane hoping for a foul similar to TSJ. Difference being TSJ could finish much better. PG's IMO should have high IQ and be facilitators.
 
#947      
Yea, he was a bulldozer. He oftentimes just put his head down and ran into a crowd of people in the lane hoping for a foul similar to TSJ. Difference being TSJ could finish much better. PG's IMO should have high IQ and be facilitators.
I get it…he wasn’t a BJ Armstrong type.
AND might not have been a rocket scientist like KC Jones…but he definitely had respectable basketball IQ. He DID finish pretty well around the rim. Gonna have to disagree there.

He averaged nearly 5 assists a game where he came from. (Yes it was lower tier.) His Junior year here he only had 2 assists a game coming off the bench. By his Senior year he was up to 3 assists a game…11pts and 5 boards…

I’d say those were decent #s for a college point guard. And not too bad for a dude no one ever heard of.

To be fair…I think you gotta consider the offensive scheme we were running then too. They were mostly running the Spread then…and that’s not the most freelance-y point guards gonna run the Mutua-Flippin’ show type of offense. It’s a basically continuity pattern…with some flexibility & little (take what they give ya) latitude here and there sure…but not exactly Stockton & Malone freestyling…In other words, the lower assist numbers might of had something to do with what was asked of him/how he was utilized. JMO
 
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#948      
Disagree 100%. Run 20 seconds off. Time is all that is important at that point. Dunk or layup great. Otherwise run it down under 10
And you would be correct. Heck, run out the shot clock and hand them the ball. You win.

Don't blame Goode...blame the guy who plays him down the stretch...repeatedly.

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”
 
#950      
Disappointed - but I'm not giving up on this team.
I really don't think anybody is giving up on this team. Just preparing for what appears to be our curse since the slushfund. It's gonna take a miraculous performance by someone, someday. Was hoping like so many others it could be Ayo, now TSJ. When these guys have it going its almost unbeatable. Biggest question is can they find it again and peak in March or did they peak in December? Been Illini since the 60's ain't gave up yet and sure ain't quitting on them now just please no more snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
 
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