Pregame: Illinois at Indiana, Saturday, September 20th, 6:30pm CT, NBC

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#251      
Treat.it like they did the Citrus Bowl and I like our chances. IU lost to both higher ranked teams they played last year, and hasn't played a D1 talented team yet with this year's completely new roster.

I really think we have been practicing for and pointed to this game since August.

I think we do this.
 
#252      
I just think IU hasn't played a team with the level of defensive intensity of Illinois. Not to mention that their rushing defense is only just okay. They got torched by ODU's QB on the ground. They gave up nearly as many yards on the ground in that game than we have all season.

If you can get Valentine or Laughery out in space early, look out.
 
#255      
NBC: Noah Eagle (pbp), Todd Blackledge (color), Kathryn Tappen (sideline)


This is the first Top 20 matchup (#9 at #19) at Indiana's Memorial Stadium since Oct. 20, 1987 when No. 15 Indiana defeated No. 20 Michigan, 14-10.


Fun fact- the 2 schools disagree on the all-time series record.

According to IL- Illinois holds a 46-25-3 lead in the all-time series
According to IU- Illinois leading the series, 46-26-2

Indiana claims the 1931 zero-zero tie as a victory because, according to IU: "Game awarded to IU on first down margin (8-4)".


#9 Illinois Opens Big Ten Play at #19 Indiana (fightingillini.com)
FOOTBALL GAMEDAY: Illinois (Week 4) (iuhoosiers.com)
IL FB Record Book (fightingillini.com)
IU FB Record Book (iuhoosiers.com)

Indiana cant help being wrong. In what world do you win a football game by anything other than the score?
 
#257      
Unfortunately, the opposite is the problem - we became feeble decades ago, and way too many of our fans have like a psychological attachment to expecting the worst! Being overconfident is annoying for sure, but man ... our fans should have a bit more swagger at this point!
It’s still a matter of perspective. South Carolina was our first win over a ranked team since Bielema arrived; we’re 1-8 versus AP top 25 since 2021.

You can argue me on that point and claim wins over teams like Kansas, Nebraska, and Michigan last year, but that’s not how the record books are kept as all 3 bottomed out during the season. Is winning against Kansas when they lost 5 in a row have any meaning because they were ranked preseason?

Bielema is crushing it, and I’m proud as a fan to how far he’s raised the program, but we’re reaching the point where consistency is what separates teams. I just haven’t seen our coordinators perform consistently with the level of preparation needed to be a top 10 team.

 
#258      
It’s still a matter of perspective. South Carolina was our first win over a ranked team since Bielema arrived; we’re 1-8 versus AP top 25 since 2021.

You can argue me on that point and claim wins over teams like Kansas, Nebraska, and Michigan last year, but that’s not how the record books are kept as all 3 bottomed out during the season. Is winning against Kansas when they lost 5 in a row have any meaning because they were ranked preseason?

Bielema is crushing it, and I’m proud as a fan to how far he’s raised the program, but we’re reaching the point where consistency is what separates teams. I just haven’t seen our coordinators perform consistently with the level of preparation needed to be a top 10 team.

Penn State 2021 wasn’t ranked? Wasn’t Minnesota ranked that year too? What a strange take in the beginning of this post.
 
#259      
It’s still a matter of perspective. South Carolina was our first win over a ranked team since Bielema arrived; we’re 1-8 versus AP top 25 since 2021.

You can argue me on that point and claim wins over teams like Kansas, Nebraska, and Michigan last year, but that’s not how the record books are kept as all 3 bottomed out during the season. Is winning against Kansas when they lost 5 in a row have any meaning because they were ranked preseason?

Bielema is crushing it, and I’m proud as a fan to how far he’s raised the program, but we’re reaching the point where consistency is what separates teams. I just haven’t seen our coordinators perform consistently with the level of preparation needed to be a top 10 team.

However, next to nobody looks at top 25 wins the way you are. By that logic, the Illini did not beat #1 in 2006, because they fell from that spot after we beat Ohio State. It seems like a convenient way of discrediting what the Illini accomplished last season.
 
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Penn State 2021 wasn’t ranked? Wasn’t Minnesota ranked that year too? What a strange take in the beginning of this post.
Correct. 2021 Penn State lost 6 of their final 8 games and was not ranked, and Minnesota was not ranked in AP that year. They spent 1 week ranked #20 in the coaches poll.
 
#261      
Illinois at Indiana in mid-September has early national championship implications, or maybe more accurately and reasonably, potential college football playoffs implications.

You'd have put me in a mental institution just 5 years ago.

Match the right athletic director with the right coach and the right donors and anything is possible.
 
#262      
Big picture question for y’all. I’m truly puzzled.

Collectively speaking, the highly paid professional coaches polled put Illinois far ahead of IU. OTOH the betting public gives a slight edge to IU. Furthermore, the betting public has significantly underestimated the Illini this season. So tell me please, which group has deeper, more credible insights? In your minds, why would the spread trump the coaches polls?
 
#263      
:unsure: Our worst loss in the BB era was last year against a wildly talented Oregon team that beat O$U, and it was only by 29 points.
I think the worst game we've played under BB was at Purdue in 2023 and that was only a 25 point loss. Indinia may very well beat us but 52-10 would be a ridiculous outlier.
Your post has merit, but you're underselling how badly Oregon kicked our collected rears last year. They took their foot completely off the gas when they got up 35-3 at halftime. They could have hung 60 on us, but Lanning saw enough and called off the dogs and aggressive play calling.

We were absolutely no match for their speed. That has me concerned for this upcoming game.
 
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It’s still a matter of perspective. South Carolina was our first win over a ranked team since Bielema arrived; we’re 1-8 versus AP top 25 since 2021.

You can argue me on that point and claim wins over teams like Kansas, Nebraska, and Michigan last year, but that’s not how the record books are kept as all 3 bottomed out during the season. Is winning against Kansas when they lost 5 in a row have any meaning because they were ranked preseason?

Bielema is crushing it, and I’m proud as a fan to how far he’s raised the program, but we’re reaching the point where consistency is what separates teams. I just haven’t seen our coordinators perform consistently with the level of preparation needed to be a top 10 team.

Michigan finished #23 in the polls after beating the National Champion OSU, then Bama in it's bowl game. What are you talking about?

So beating a team who is ranked and knocking them out doesn't count? But also beating a team who finishes ranked doesn't count?

Pick a lane
 
#265      
Michigan finished #23 in the polls after beating the National Champion OSU, then Bama in it's bowl game. What are you talking about?

So beating a team who is ranked and knocking them out doesn't count? But also beating a team who finishes ranked doesn't count?

Pick a lane
Do you have a reference?

UNLV and Memphis were ranked #23 in AP and coaches. I don’t see Michigan.

 
#266      
Do you have a reference?

UNLV and Memphis were ranked #23 in AP and coaches. I don’t see Michigan.

I'll concede the finishing in the poll point as I went off my flawed memory. Though I'll point out UNLV/Memphis/Army are better than the team that beat OSU and Bama? Absolutely nuts
 
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However, next to nobody looks at top 25 wins the way you are. By that logic, the Illini did not beat #1 in 2006, because they fell from that spot after we beat Ohio State. It seems like a convenient way of discrediting what the Illini accomplished last season.
That’s a fair point, but I’m not trying to discredit what they accomplished. My point is that having a cautious outlook as a fan this year is as much practical sense as it is a trauma response like @Fighter of the Nightman’s post suggested.

Consistency gives fans “swagger” and despite big progress as a program haven’t been consistent.
 
#268      
I know nothing about betting but IIRC the home team usually starts at a baseline of -3. Yes? Am I correct, then, in inferring that the bettors are close to considering this a toss-up?
Depends what you mean by "close.". I believe the spread means that they WOULD consider it a "toss-up" if the game were being played on a neutral field. Or Illinois a slight favorite if the game were being played in Champaign. But since it's being played in Indiana, they don't consider it a toss-up, but rather they consider Indiana a slight favorite. (But yeh, I guess you could say they are "close" to considering it a toss up.)
 
#269      
That’s a fair point, but I’m not trying to discredit what they accomplished. My point is that having a cautious outlook as a fan this year is as much practical sense as it is a trauma response like @Fighter of the Nightman’s post suggested.

Consistency gives fans “swagger” and despite big progress as a program haven’t been consistent.
Personally, I hope I never get "swagger", or at least the kind of "swagger" where fans are disappointed if the team doesn't win the national championship ever year.
 
#270      
Personally, I hope I never get "swagger", or at least the kind of "swagger" where fans are disappointed if the team doesn't win the national championship ever year.
Speak for yourself. I want that "swagger". That means we have consistently made deep runs in the CFP with some trophies on the shelf.

But for now, I am going to be content racking up winning seasons, with occasional CFP berths.
 
#271      
I just keep thinking we went into the Nebby night game for their 400th sellout and we won. I trust BB and this staff to get r done...
I agree!!! On the other hand, iirc Nebby helped us with some questionable coaching calls. (Like Penn State has a tendency to do.). I haven't seen any Indiana games, but suspect that they aren't going to give us any help.
 
#272      
Speak for yourself. I want that "swagger". That means we have consistently made deep runs in the CFP with some trophies on the shelf.

But for now, I am going to be content racking up winning seasons, with occasional CFP berths.
I want deep runs into the CFP and trophies on the shelf too! I just don't want it to give me an attitude.
 
#273      
It’s still a matter of perspective. South Carolina was our first win over a ranked team since Bielema arrived; we’re 1-8 versus AP top 25 since 2021.

You can argue me on that point and claim wins over teams like Kansas, Nebraska, and Michigan last year, but that’s not how the record books are kept as all 3 bottomed out during the season. Is winning against Kansas when they lost 5 in a row have any meaning because they were ranked preseason?

Bielema is crushing it, and I’m proud as a fan to how far he’s raised the program, but we’re reaching the point where consistency is what separates teams. I just haven’t seen our coordinators perform consistently with the level of preparation needed to be a top 10 team.

It absolutely IS how the record books are kept, though … and road wins at PSU and at Minnesota from 2021 are thus also added to his total. :)
 
#274      
Personally, I hope I never get "swagger", or at least the kind of "swagger" where fans are disappointed if the team doesn't win the national championship ever year.
To the contrary......that's exactly the point I want to get to. Our basketball team is the classic example.

Pre BU, get some decent recruits, miss out on the main targets and getting a 8-10 seed was a good year and being barely on the right side of the bubble was acceptable.

Now, if we don't land a top national talent, it's a major disappointment, if we don't get a double bye in the BTT it's a disappointment and if we're not a top 5 seed in the NCAAT it's a disappointment. People want BU's head because he's only gotten us to one Elite 8.

That's where you want to be as a program. You want extremely high expectations and if you miss them, you want to feel disappointed. That's how really good programs operate.

BB doesn't have the program there yet because the consistency of winning is there yet. He wants to get the program to a point where a 7 win season is unacceptable. As a head coach, those are the things you strive for. As fans of this program, we're in no mans land. We want to believe that we're arriving, BUT we have FAR more data points to prove that things can end up being a disaster. This program needs 4 or 5 years of continuous winning, beating good teams, hanging with great times and getting to a solid bowl every year to wipe two decades of disgust out of our minds.
 
#275      
I want deep runs into the CFP and trophies on the shelf too! I just don't want it to give me an attitude.
Interesting thought experiment... If given the choice, it can be arranged so the team will without question win the national championship this year, but you have to submit to a DNA change that will make you an insufferable a-hole fan....(think Scum fan, or domer fan), do you take the deal?
 
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