Pregame: Illinois at Michigan, Tuesday, March 2nd, 6:00pm CT, ESPN

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So is it confirmed Ayo is out or is there still a chance he plays

It is kind of hard to keep track for me! Lol.

Anyway, if there is a hypothetical where we only get a full-strength Ayo for Saturday's game at OSU if he doesn't play tonight, I take that trade. Beating OSU is a bigger deal for our seed, IMO, as we are underdogs vs. Michigan with Ayo, and we're expected to lose by nearly everyone if he's out. I want him to play simply because I want this huge win so badly, but from a strategic perspective there is little downside to him not playing IF he's not 100% ready to go. A loss to Michigan keeps us exactly where we are for seeding, and we still have the (very realistic) chance of beating OSU to get in 1-seed territory. With Ayo, I have no doubt we could pull off a W in Columbus, whereas pulling off a W in Ann Arbor will be difficult, even with him.

If he's 100% ready, you of course play him! If not, let's just give Michigan our best shot and move on to OSU, win or lose! Lol, considering the committee is supposed to take injuries into account, beating Michigan without Ayo should put us as a clear No. 1 seed no matter what happens at OSU!
 
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It's up to the doctors who won't clear him so that's not how it's going to go.
In a non-concussion situation like this, does the doctor really have the final say? If the doctors truly can hold him out I’m thinking this was concussion related
 
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sacraig

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In a non-concussion situation like this, does the doctor really have the final say? If the doctors truly can hold him out I’m thinking this was concussion related

I'd hope that the university is doing what is medically indicated for its athletes, whether it is a concussion or otherwise. If the doctors think it's against Ayo's interest to play, he probably shouldn't play, especially given the potential to nuke his draft stock if he gets more seriously injured.
 
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I'd hope that the university is doing what is medically indicated for its athletes, whether it is a concussion or otherwise. If the doctors think it's against Ayo's interest to play, he probably shouldn't play, especially given the potential to nuke his draft stock if he gets more seriously injured.
Yea doctors can give opinions but usually it’s up to the player except in the case of concussions.
I too am leaning towards holding him out but I’m curious why the doctors in the particular situation have the final say
 
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sbillini

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I'd hope that the university is doing what is medically indicated for its athletes, whether it is a concussion or otherwise. If the doctors think it's against Ayo's interest to play, he probably shouldn't play, especially given the potential to nuke his draft stock if he gets more seriously injured.

I believe BU has clearly articulated essentially the same sentiments. I think the docs will decide if he plays tonight.
 
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#383      
I'm of the opinion I'd rather Ayo sit this one out. I think the risk/reward ratio just doesn't make sense to play him, and it also gives the rest of the guys another good learning experience without Ayo. Plus, if we lose, we have a ready-made excuse that we can use to get under scUM fan's skin (yeah y'all won the regular title, but with an even bigger asterisk).

I think my dream scenario is Trent dropping absolute 🔥 (30+) on them while locking up Smith and stalling their offense, pulling us to an epic win (with or without Ayo). Would love to see him shine on the biggest stage -- so far -- this season and get the recognition he deserves.
My concern is that an opposing coach could tell their players to their players to be especially physical with Ayo, like that ****** Izzo.
 
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I enjoy reading all the information and predictions on Illini Basketball. I don't comment often, because what do I know? That said, I have a feeling this game is going to be a nail-biter and the Illini will actually get a W tonight. With or without Ayo.
 
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Yea doctors can give opinions but usually it’s up to the player except in the case of concussions.
I too am leaning towards holding him out but I’m curious why the doctors in the particular situation have the final say
I don't think it's ever up to the player.
 
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I enjoy reading all the information and predictions on Illini Basketball. I don't comment often, because what do I know? That said, I have a feeling this game is going to be a nail-biter and the Illini will actually get a W tonight. With or without Ayo.
Love that positivity. Let it be so.
 
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sacraig

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Yea doctors can give opinions but usually it’s up to the player except in the case of concussions.
I too am leaning towards holding him out but I’m curious why the doctors in the particular situation have the final say

I think it's up to the player when they, say, roll an ankle. I don't think the players have as much autonomy when they, say, fracture their face. I don't know what other injury(ies) he also has, as it seems there is more than just his nose but no one is saying what, but I suspect this is clearly a case where the medical staff has a lot of the say.
 
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I'd love to see him play tonight, but we all would rather see him play Sat at 100%, and even more in BTT ... If he doesn't play I imagine he's a million times more upset than we are.
 
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These stats for Kofi suggest that he actually should NOT pass. This year he is shooting 67% and his points/turnover ratio is positive. That's a pretty good argument for not passing. Hunter Dickinson has 18 assists this year, and is considered a good passer. That's less than an assist a game. We likely gain more by having Kofi singularly focused on scoring than worrying about passing, if the benefit of his passing is only, at best, 2 points a game.

This is flawed logic, at best.

He could conceivably be making baskets at a higher percentage if he passed out more often when the defense collapses down on him. Working inside out for wide open 3s when they double (or sometimes) triple Kofi typically puts the offense in an even more advantageous position.
 
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Tacomallini

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My son was born yesterday (Hansen says he's coming back). He got this today and instantly less fussy and started cooperating. I take this all as a good sign. I look a little crazy been a long couple of days. Isaiah says ILLView attachment 7699
Congrats! You know what they say about newborns - sleep when they sleep; cry about the refs when they cry about the refs
 
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This is flawed logic, at best.

He could conceivably be making baskets at a higher percentage if he passed out more often when the defense collapses down on him. Working inside out for wide open 3s when they double (or sometimes) triple Kofi typically puts the offense in an even more advantageous position.
The logic is strong, actually. What would the fg% be after he passes out and how much higher do you think his fg% can go? Also, whether he makes his fts or not, there is still value in drawing fouls. When he’s fouled and hitting only 60% of his fts, that is scoring on non fg attempts that is probably higher than the fg% of the person he would have passed to. The only thing I can think of that would flip the analysis is if we were hitting 3 pt shots out of his kick outs at a decent rate.
 
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JSpence

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This is flawed logic, at best.

He could conceivably be making baskets at a higher percentage if he passed out more often when the defense collapses down on him. Working inside out for wide open 3s when they double (or sometimes) triple Kofi typically puts the offense in an even more advantageous position.
It's not flawed, just incomplete. 70% of a 2 is worth more than 40% of a 3, and that's discounting the higher likelihood that Kofi gets fouled on his shot, make or miss. And for the team, it's generally better for Kofi to be fouled regardless of the outcome - especially in the second half - than to shoot a three, make or miss.
 
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The logic is strong, actually. What would the fg% be after he passes out and how much higher do you think his fg% can go? Also, whether he makes his fts or not, there is still value in drawing fouls. When he’s fouled and hitting only 60% of his fts, that is scoring on non fg attempts that is probably higher than the fg% of the person he would have passed to. The only thing I can think of that would flip the analysis is if we were hitting 3 pt shots out of his kick outs at a decent rate.

No, it really isn't strong logic. You usually end up with pretty open 3-point looks when you pass out of a double team in the paint.

3 assists on the season is hilariously low and if he's looking to get drafted, NBA teams are very aware of that number.
 
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skyIdub

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Good lord...it certainly isn't worth all this. I only posted the stats to refute the scUM fan. He asserted that Kofi NEVER passes.

The stats show that is in fact, not true.
 
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It's not flawed, just incomplete. 70% of a 2 is worth more than 40% of a 3, and that's discounting the higher likelihood that Kofi gets fouled on his shot, make or miss. And for the team, it's generally better for Kofi to be fouled regardless of the outcome - especially in the second half - than to shoot a three, make or miss.

That logic is even more flawed. He is not going to pass the ball out when he gets wide open dunks or has good position 1-on-1, for example. So his FG% on possessions where he SHOULD look to pass out is nowhere near 70%.

And the 3-point percentage on the quality of looks that typically come from a pass out of a double team is higher than 40%. We are making over 38% of all our 3 point attempts. Our 3-point percentage on open looks is probably closer to 45-50%.
 
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