Now you have me worried. Several people have mentioned this. The team is very well guarded on issuing statements on concussion injuries and protocol.
Pregame: Illinois at Purdue, Tuesday, February 8th, 8:00pm CT, ESPN
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Just rewatched Big Ten Tourney final last year with OSU. Saw Frazier and Cubelo in lineup together sometimes. Is this a good fit at times for the Illini this year down the road when Curbelo able to play more minutes? My only analysis is that we would lose Plummer's shot but gain Trent's D.
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Baker played in the last game. Don’t know his status.
BillyBob1
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He didn’t play in the first game against us.
This is one of the strangest things I have heard. Conference championships aren't just whether you beat one team head to head they are about how you fare against ALL teams. Purdue was beaten by Rutgers, Indiana and Wisconsin. We beat those teams. How do you reconcile that?
There are two championships in The Big Ten Men's Basketball since 1998 when they went to adding The Big Ten Tournament. There are regular season Conference Champion and Tournament Champion. There have been several times when co-champions have happened in league play. Ofc there is only one Big Ten Tournament Champion. There are no more absolute head to head tiebreakers for getting NCAA tournament bids like in the old days. Not with so many bids and so many other factors to consider for the mid range conference teams getting bids.
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Exactly. Illinois won the regular season in 1984, 1998, 2001, 2002, 2004 and 2005. Only in 2004 and 2005 was Illinois not a co-champion, yet we have banners up for each.
You are taxing my brain, lol. Define co-champion: regular season conference record the same as other team(s) OR splitting regular season conference championship with other team that won conference tournament? For example, in 2004 we won sole possession of regular season conference championship, but we lost the Big Ten tourney championship to WI. Therefore, we would have one banner up. In 2005, we won outright the regular season conference championship and the Big Ten Tourney Championship. I honestly don't know whether we got a banner to hang for each of those.
We have banners for both the regular season and tourney championships in 2005. If we have the same record as Purdue and they beat us twice we should absolutely be considered regular season co-champions. Purdue would get the one seed in the BTT due to the tiebreaker. As Bucktown mentioned well the championship is based on the record against all teams, not just the one you are tied with. I would also add that each team plays a unique schedule with varying difficulty that is luck of the draw. Each team plays 7 teams twice and 6 teams once.
RabidDawgClassic
- Los Angeles, CA
In Iowa City, they hang banners for making the NCAA tournament.
If you end up in a tie with somebody but lost to them both times you had your shot. You blew it.
Remember how we all felt about last year because we were as tied as we could be with Michigan based on opportunities but we beat the dog sh— out of them so we felt like we were the true champions?
Different situation. scUM played less games that us and ducked playing some teams. Last year I think most of us (probably all) would've been happy with a co-championship.
That is not the same as playing the same # of games and having equal records.
I, for one, had no problem with Michigan being called a regular season champ last year, even though we crushed them at their place, sans Ayo.
I thought (and got the impression that many agreed), that we should have gotten a CO-championship based on us having won more games. So, for me, the angst was in being denied a co-championship, not in Michigan getting one.
Racinghoss beat me to it.
DeonThomas
- South Carolina
You forgot 2021........(oh wait)
IMO Hummel is the best. I can’t believe I just said that.
Last game, as in the one a few days ago.
They also hang banners for Big Ten Championships, but you have to have good eyes as they are hard to spot. Oh look, I see their last title banner from 43 years ago!
danielb927
Orange Krush Class of 2013
- Rochester, MN
By that logic, if you beat someone both times but still ended up in a tie with them, you also had your shot and blew it — you went 2 games worse over the rest of the season.
I think the more important consideration, though, is situations that are less obvious. We beat MSU at home by 1. If we tied with them, and one insists on not having co-champions, should we get it based on the head to head win, even though a 1 point win at home is roughly equal to a 2-3 point loss on a neutral court? What about situations with a split season series — is having a co-champ really worse than breaking a tie with record against, say, 7th place Iowa who one team played at home and the other on the road?
Co-champs works fine. In the B1G Tourney, where seeds must be assigned, the tiebreakers work too.
That was Harper Jr. Baker did not play.
pruman91
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Noticed that Stefanovich put the ball on the floor several times in his last game and successfully made it to the rim and scored. He did it when Mich tried to overplay and take away the 3. He played well.
Yep, I was mixing them up. A couple posters pointed out that head to head doesn't matter for reg season championship.
If he beats us that way, so be it. We have to get him off the arc.
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