Uhh, I believe Tate and Thorne have contributed in a few of our wins. Groce isn't using them because we are on a roll. I still think the aforementioned pair can contribute to our success going forward. I do agree TJL has made the offense flow better and our defense has improved on stopping pg penetration but some of that is due to better hedging by our bigs. Thorne has rebounded and scored well at times, but Mav has better court vision and less turnovers. I think his defense has improved also. I do agree that less of Tate and Thorne has been a good thing but I still think they can bring some value if needed.