Pregame: Illinois vs Cincinnati, Monday, November 22nd, 5:30pm CT, ESPNews

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#151      
Anyone yet recommended an Illini bar near the arena for pre-game/post-game festivities? I-L-L

Thx
 
#152      
Illini Dawg
Seattle
Coach actually hates using a timeout in that situation. He said they practice it extensively. A timeout allows them to draw up a defense. His philosophy on it right from the horses mouth in the post game interview(one of them).
I meant due to the fact that Belo had not practiced. His words
 
#153      
Last year, Curbelo had the team’s third-best percentage on two-point shots (Kofi, Granderson) while taking the third most such shots (Ayo, Kofi, and 4.5x more than Granderson). It obviously wasn’t working on Monday but it’s ludicrous to say he’s not capable of scoring at decent volume and high efficiency.

I’m seeing a lot of people say they want him to be a “point guard” but am genuinely curious as to what that means. How does a point guard create offense in today’s game without breaking down defenses and disrupting rotations? And can he do that without being a credible threat to score himself? Defenses are way more sophisticated than they were even 10-15 years ago, and you can’t just pass the ball around the perimeter and back cut anymore.

I just don’t know what folks envision him doing when they say stuff like that. Not what he did on Monday, sure. But he’s got 30-plus games under his belt, most of which showed him to be effective at both scoring and creating. If he just stays on the perimeter and makes simple one-station passes, he’s literally taking his game away from the things that allow him to be valuable to this team.
The issue Monday was it CLEARLY wasn’t his night, it clearly WAS Trent’s night and yet we played/coached like the opposite was true. Seriously ONE fewer bewildering turnover, and we win. One.

With that said, it’s way past time to move on, and I don’t want ‘Belo to stop being ‘Belo. We need him. Let’s go out and beat Cincinnati handily before beating a ranked Arkansas. Do both those things, and the Marquette loss is more than made up for (4-1 with a neutral court win vs. a ranked team and a 1-point loss without our best player? I’ll take it!).
 
#155      
Cary, IL
I'll probably regret posting this but........the phrase is actually "champing at the bit" rather than chomping. Drives me crazy when someone says chomping as I was rudely corrected on that same error many years ago and have never forgotten it.
I appreciate the education. I had it wrong too.
 
#157      
Last year, Curbelo had the team’s third-best percentage on two-point shots (Kofi, Granderson) while taking the third most such shots (Ayo, Kofi, and 4.5x more than Granderson). It obviously wasn’t working on Monday but it’s ludicrous to say he’s not capable of scoring at decent volume and high efficiency.

I’m seeing a lot of people say they want him to be a “point guard” but am genuinely curious as to what that means. How does a point guard create offense in today’s game without breaking down defenses and disrupting rotations? And can he do that without being a credible threat to score himself? Defenses are way more sophisticated than they were even 10-15 years ago, and you can’t just pass the ball around the perimeter and back cut anymore.

I just don’t know what folks envision him doing when they say stuff like that. Not what he did on Monday, sure. But he’s got 30-plus games under his belt, most of which showed him to be effective at both scoring and creating. If he just stays on the perimeter and makes simple one-station passes, he’s literally taking his game away from the things that allow him to be valuable to this team.
You know full well people are not saying Curbelo should not shoot or that he should stay on the perimeter and make simple one-station passes. I do feel he should dial it back some and not always go for the highlight reel pass. I also think he can over penetrate too often, which has led to some bad shots and bad passes. To his credit though, it has also led to some great baskets. Obviously the number of turnovers on Monday was bad, but the main issue I and I think many others had was the amount he shot late. In the last 5 minutes I believe Belo took 5 shots (making none). Frazier on the other hand got 2 shots. And it isn’t like AC had been hot earlier. He was 4 for 13. And Frazier had been shooting well. In that situation being more a point guard means understanding the game is starting to get away from the Illini, you’re not having a good night, identifying who is and helping them win the game rather than trying to do it all yourself.

The verbal attacks AC received — and I say attacks because many went beyond simple criticism — were not warranted. He’s just starting his sophomore year and likely had rust from not practicing (something I’ll admit I didn’t really take into consideration at the time), so he’ll get better. Having Kofi back will undoubtedly help AC’s game too. I expect AC to have other bad games (hopefully not this bad and they don’t lead to a loss), but they will be far out numbered by the good ones with at least a few incredible ones sprinkled in.
 
#159      
Looking at the remaining schedule, there is a decent chance this team goes undefeated or maybe only loses one game all the way through the Minnesota game (3rd big ten game). Kofi and Hutch coming back is massive depth wise and for just overall scoring. This is a very good and talented team, everyone needs to trust in Brad. The loss tonight will help big time down the road.
Having flashbacks to Rutgers and Missouri 2020....
 
#160      
Bethesda, Maryland
(OK, Boomer), I hope that Kofi is as inspired and motivated as Forrest Whitaker was portraying Charles Jefferson in Fast Times... Yes: I'm old but full of wisdom ;)

 
#161      
I can't believe the game is on ESPNews. I downgraded my Comcast package and don't get that channel anymore. I always thought ESPNews was just for showing the start of games postponed on another channel due to overtime in the previous game. I guess I'll be forced to go to a sports bar and drink on a Monday night. Sucks to be me? I think not.
Sign up for a free trial of Fubo.tv and watch from home. Just make sure you cancel before the seven days is up.
 
#162      
Last time I posted the model predicted we would win and cover. At one point we were up +12 but our turnovers killed us. In most other statistics however we really did seem to play well against what is proving to be a quality opponent. Expect a huge bounce back with Kofi coming back in the mix and an easier time with Belo on the pick and role. Our defense according to kenpom is still number 1 and should only get better with Kofi back as well.

ILL 75 84.4%
CINCY 63

Link to prediction:

 
#163      
The issue Monday was it CLEARLY wasn’t his night, it clearly WAS Trent’s night and yet we played/coached like the opposite was true. Seriously ONE fewer bewildering turnover, and we win. One.

You know full well people are not saying Curbelo should not shoot or that he should stay on the perimeter and make simple one-station passes. I do feel he should dial it back some and not always go for the highlight reel pass. I also think he can over penetrate too often, which has led to some bad shots and bad passes. To his credit though, it has also led to some great baskets.

In that situation being more a point guard means understanding the game is starting to get away from the Illini, you’re not having a good night, identifying who is and helping them win the game rather than trying to do it all yourself.
Appreciate the thoughtful replies. I think that there are people who want Curbelo to drastically simplify his game and frame it as “acting like a real point guard” or something. I just don’t know what else that would mean besides shooting less and moving the ball from more conventional spots on the floor.

As for finding the hot hand, I don’t disagree that Trent should have gotten more touches. I’d counter that if this team wants to be elite (sorry) things like creating shots for your shooters and trying to calm everyone down falls on five pairs of shoulders, not one. But Curbelo needed to take the blinders off. I was more surprised than anything because creating for others is the core part of his game, and I’m not sure where that went.
[…] I don’t want ‘Belo to stop being ‘Belo.

Some folks do, and that kinda just makes me sad.
 
#165      
Illini Basketball Fan Forever
Ft Worth, Texas
Last year, Curbelo had the team’s third-best percentage on two-point shots (Kofi, Granderson) while taking the third most such shots (Ayo, Kofi, and 4.5x more than Granderson). It obviously wasn’t working on Monday but it’s ludicrous to say he’s not capable of scoring at decent volume and high efficiency.

I’m seeing a lot of people say they want him to be a “point guard” but am genuinely curious as to what that means. How does a point guard create offense in today’s game without breaking down defenses and disrupting rotations? And can he do that without being a credible threat to score himself? Defenses are way more sophisticated than they were even 10-15 years ago, and you can’t just pass the ball around the perimeter and back cut anymore.

I just don’t know what folks envision him doing when they say stuff like that. Not what he did on Monday, sure. But he’s got 30-plus games under his belt, most of which showed him to be effective at both scoring and creating. If he just stays on the perimeter and makes simple one-station passes, he’s literally taking his game away from the things that allow him to be valuable to this team.
Ok, Curbelo's 3 point shooting percentage at Illinois is 13%. From 3 point range this season, he is 0/7 in two games, similar to last season. He's great at penetrating on the dribble and has a very high percentage of 2pt shots, many of them layups last season.

Many point guards excel at creating assists and having few/minimal turnovers. Curbelo had 3 assists last game and 7 turnovers, not what you expect from any point guard.

If Curbelo improves his 3 point shooting this season, perhaps he becomes one of our shooting guards and someone else can play point guard. But tonight I hope the Curbelo from last season shows up, who was quite good at playing point guard.
 
#168      
As a (somewhat) side note, this tournament has four of the more underrated traditional basketball programs in the country, if you ask me (national ranks I/A)!

Winning Pctg. - #16 Cincinnati (.642), #19 Illinois (.639), #19 Arkansas (.639), Kansas State (.584)
Final Fours - #11 Arkansas (6), #11 Cincinnati (6), #12 Illinois (5), #13 Kansas State (4)
NCAAT Appearances - #15 Cincinnati (33), #15 Arkansas (33), #17 Illinois (31), #17 Kansas State (31)
AP Top 25 Finishes - #8 Illinois (28), #10 Cincinnati (25), #17 Arkansas (17), #18 Arkansas (16)
Total Weeks in AP Top 25 - #11 Illinois (472), #12 Cincinnati (434), #35 Arkansas (273), #43 Kansas State (221)

Pretty clear dropoff to KSU, and obviously Cincinnati has not always played in a "Power Five" conference, but Arkansas is a pretty good "peer" for us as far as overall tradition goes.
 
#171      
As a (somewhat) side note, this tournament has four of the more underrated traditional basketball programs in the country, if you ask me (national ranks I/A)!

Winning Pctg. - #16 Cincinnati (.642), #19 Illinois (.639), #19 Arkansas (.639), Kansas State (.584)
Final Fours - #11 Arkansas (6), #11 Cincinnati (6), #12 Illinois (5), #13 Kansas State (4)
NCAAT Appearances - #15 Cincinnati (33), #15 Arkansas (33), #17 Illinois (31), #17 Kansas State (31)
AP Top 25 Finishes - #8 Illinois (28), #10 Cincinnati (25), #17 Arkansas (17), #18 Arkansas (16)
Total Weeks in AP Top 25 - #11 Illinois (472), #12 Cincinnati (434), #35 Arkansas (273), #43 Kansas State (221)

Pretty clear dropoff to KSU, and obviously Cincinnati has not always played in a "Power Five" conference, but Arkansas is a pretty good "peer" for us as far as overall tradition goes.
Curious how much the current century factors into those statistics
 
#172      
what determines what time we play tomorrow? schedule says 6 and 8:30
 
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